Canadian girl murdered by father - she did not wear her hijab.

by sammielee24 49 Replies latest jw friends

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  stillajwexelder

  "Islamic science" flourished because it allowed debate and research and (relative) tolerance of other cultures, this melting pot is precisely the reason they were ahead of medieval europe etc. where science or new ideas as often as not would get you killed for "heresy" or "witchcraft." It is precisely this sort of tolerance that allowed "european" science to flourish during the renaissance and this sort of intolerance now which keeps the Islamic countries behind.

  EXACTLY AVISHAI - so perhaps before the hot link to a Wiki article was appropraite - the one to Islamic Science - thats how it was when it allowed debate and research as you point out
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  Homerovah the Almighty

  Isn't ancient old religion full compassion and love............sounds like a a jws. disfellowshipping

  Religion and the power that it puts in the hands of ignorant men. is not a good thing !

  Religion supports the ignorance of humanity and sometimes the consequences can be very deadly.
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  Saoirse

  This happened just blocks away from a work project that we just finished. It's sobering to think that on any given day I could have been standing in line next to this girl at the Tim Horton's.
  
  According to news reports the father was a cab driver. They lived in a part of Mississauga that's not very nice. Low income, high number of immigrants and quite a bit of crime. In fact, we jokingly referred to it as the armpit of the GTA. Our job site was vandalized several times and on one occasion someone nearly ripped the door off of the high security trailer that I had my lab set up in. We never left anything of high value there overnight. Whatever the reason for this girl's tragic death, it doesn't surprise me that it happened in this neighbourhood.
  
  As far as Islam goes, don't even get me started. I know several people that have done humanitarian aid and/or ministry in Muslim nations and the stories I hear from them bring me to tears. What we as ex-JWs go through is a walk in the park compared to what people in Muslim nations have to endure if they choose to leave Islam. And from what I hear there are many that are leaving. Unfortunately, those poor souls end up being beaten, jailed, fired from jobs, lose their homes, tortured and in many cases killed. I'll take a shunning any day over that.
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  stealyourface

  What a tragedy; this poor girl led her too short life under a system that is a political ideology bent on world conquest disguised as a religion. She was killed because she would not submit. Afterall, that is what Islam means, submission. Not peace. Submission that brings peace. May she be at peace.

  As far as internet information for apostates of Islam, here is the Free-Minds of the Islamic world: http://www.faithfreedom.org/ and it's forum: http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/

  Here is an interesting link on Islamic science: http://islamicexpansionanddecline.blogspot.com/2007/04/chapter-11-parasitic-civilization.html

  The golden age of Islamic scientific thought was brought about by absportion of conqured peoples and claiming their discoverys as their own at a later time when it is politically handy.

  Here is what the chapter says about Averroes:

  Ibn-Rushd (Averroes) (1126-1198) is widely regarded by orthodox Muslims as a heretic. Averroes is described by Trifkovic as follows:

  On the other side of the Empire, in Spain, Averroës exercised much influence on both Jewish and Christian thinkers with his interpretations of Aristotle. While mostly faithful to Aristotle’s method, he found the Aristotelian "prime mover" in Allah, the universal First Cause. His writings brought him into political disfavor and he was banished until shortly before his death, while many of his works in logic and metaphysics had been consigned to the flames. He left no school…[51]

  Lan Astaslem!
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  delilah

  Since being anti muslim walks me into a sword and being pro muslim walks me into another sword I think I shall avoid having an opinion on them at all and stare blankly at this brick wall for a few hours.

  lol....I think it's disgusting that this has happened,over religion, and a refusal to wear certain clothing. I'm sorry, but I agree with others who've said, they come to our country, they abide by our laws, just as we have to, when visiting their country.( Although I've no intention or desire to ever go to their country!) Murder is murder, no matter what reasons they think they have. This is Canada, we have laws against it here. Someone asked "where is the mother"? Do you remember a few years ago, in B.C. when a young girl was murdered by her uncle, because she fell in love with a man OTHER than the one they had chosen? The mother played a key role in luring her daughter back to the house, where the daughter KNEW she was going to be murdered, by uncles and brothers. She was a friend of my cousin's, a beautiful girl, who wanted nothing more, than to marry for love, not material gains. This may be "their" way in "their" country, but not in Canada, eh?! Religion IS a snair and a racket!!!
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  Trygon

  Religion ain’t all bad.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  The Scout Promise is:
  
  On My Honour, I promise that I will do my best
  To do my duty to God and to the Queen,
  To help other people
  And to keep the Scout Law
  
  The Scout Law is:
  
  A Scout is to be trusted.
  
  A Scout is loyal.
  
  A Scout is friendly and considerate.
  
  A Scout belongs to the worldwide family of Scouts.
  
  A Scout has courage in all difficulties.
  
  A Scout makes good use of time and is careful of possessions and property.
  
  A Scout has self-respect and respect for others.
  
  
  I guess this means religion MUST all be evil and wicked. End sarcasm.
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  serotonin_wraith

  A Scout is to be trusted.
  
  A Scout is loyal.
  
  A Scout is friendly and considerate.
  
  A Scout belongs to the worldwide family of Scouts.
  
  A Scout has courage in all difficulties.
  
  A Scout makes good use of time and is careful of possessions and property.
  
  A Scout has self-respect and respect for others.

  The great thing is, religion or a belief in God isn't needed to do any of that!

  So if the good things can be done without religion, and some bad things happen only because of religion, why have religion? The good would remain, and many bad things would go.
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  Mary

  People are saying, immigrants have a right to not conform to our standards, our lifestyles, etc. Well, if not conforming means you have a right to kill your child for not wearing a head covering, sorry, umm, forget that.

  Exactly. I had a good conversation with my dentist about Islam (he's Muslim). He is half African, half-Indian and told me that when he goes to visit his parents in the GTA, he feels very much out of place. His family gets on his ass for "conforming" to the Canadian culture and abandoning his Islamic 'culture'. He said to me "Mary, I think that if I come to this country, which has given me wonderful opportunities that I would never have gotten at home, then I have a moral obligation to adapt to their culture----not to expect them to adapt to mine.'

  He is still a practicing Muslim and we talk about religion all the time. The difference is: He's a Moderate and doesn't give a rat's ass if someone wants to convert to another religion or if a woman isn't covered from head to toe. He does the praying 5 times a day, he observes Ramadant for the month of December and whatever else they do, but he doesn't try pushing it on anyone else. And that's the way it should be.
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  Paralipomenon

  While it is correct that certain muslims made large advances into science, most notably into the field of math, that changed over the years.
  
  The prophet did not like the arts, that is music and dancing. He felt that paintings and sculptures were a form of idolatry. Eventually this intollerance spilled over into science, that is, being haughty enough in one's own ability to understand the workings of Allah.
  
  Science died out.
  
  Currently there is a reason why most countries run by Islamic law are in a state of turmoil. It is a religion for the poor and the rich.
  
  The rich stand on the backs of the poor and get richer. The poor focus on serving Allah so that they will be rich after they die. Master and servant.
  
  My biggest beef with Islam is that it is more a political movement than religious. The mandate is to spread Shari law across all the earth and crush any that oppose it.
  
  There are moderates, but those are ones that are ignoring part of their own beliefs. The Quran and the Hadiths do not allow for moderate Islam.
  
  There are many good Muslims, but they are good in spite of Islam, not because of it.
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  WTNightmare00

  Delilah

  Since being anti muslim walks me into a sword and being pro muslim walks me into another sword I think I shall avoid having an opinion on them at all and stare blankly at this brick wall for a few hours.

  lol....I think it's disgusting that this has happened,over religion, and a refusal to wear certain clothing. I'm sorry, but I agree with others who've said, they come to our country, they abide by our laws, just as we have to, when visiting their country.( Although I've no intention or desire to ever go to their country!) Murder is murder, no matter what reasons they think they have. This is Canada, we have laws against it here. Someone asked "where is the mother"? Do you remember a few years ago, in B.C. when a young girl was murdered by her uncle, because she fell in love with a man OTHER than the one they had chosen? The mother played a key role in luring her daughter back to the house, where the daughter KNEW she was going to be murdered, by uncles and brothers. She was a friend of my cousin's, a beautiful girl, who wanted nothing more, than to marry for love, not material gains. This may be "their" way in "their" country, but not in Canada, eh?! Religion IS a snair and a racket!!! I agree Delilah and I also believe that if the law does not step in after being forwarned of circumstances,they're just as guilty as the ones conspiring to commit or attempt murder. Whether this sounds insane or not, I really don't give a hoot. My point is, the Government was wartned or informed about circumstances regarding The Watchtower Society years prior to 2000, and nothing was done! Thats enough to piss me off for sure. I know of one case here where i live, the guy leaped to his death in August of 1996 after having a heated discussion with an elder after a book study and the elders tried to put the blame on his wife, saying she was crazy and driving him crazy etc. Well, if that were true, why did'nt he jump before the meeting with that elder instead of after? I did not mean to get off topic here, was only adding my own thoughts to the remark regarding murder. Thanks for letting me vent!