Having a guilty conscience and maybe I should go back to JW (page 2)

Abandoned

What makes you think that going back to an organization that is constantly tellilng you that you better do more or God is going to hate you will make you feel good about yourself? If you are serious, why don't you find a therapist who can help you weed out the thistles that the watchtower has planted in your brain?

Farkel

: Just sign me lost and confused at this time.

Yep you are that, alright. Remember something simple: you simply cannot shine shit.

Farkel

ringo5

Having a guilty conscience and maybe I should go back to JW

Do you not remember feeling at all feel guilty when you were in before? Who do you think taught you to feel guilty about yourself in the first place?!!

It sure as hell does sound like you're confused, and that's is exactly the kind of person that falls for that crap. And the only way a JW can stay unconfused is to turn off their brain and ignore the logic that destroys their infantile and depressing world view. Please get some professional help instead, it will be far better than any temporary love bombing you might be hoping for.

Regards,

ringo5

BFD

Have you told your lover yet?

BFD

cognizant dissident

Why do you feel guilty? What did you do and why was it wrong and who first told you it was wrong? If you truly did something against your own conscience, then it is understandable you would want to go back to JW's for a time. They are great at punishing you and making you feel like shit!

I could be remembering wrong, but aren't you gay? If so, Jehovah's Witnesses don't even really want YOU back! Harsh but true! Hang in there. I have been lost and alone and scared and for a little while, happy smiling JW's seemed better than that. I lied down until it went away. It gets better. Hang in there.

Cog

ps: There is a lot of wisdom in what Poppers said. That is what made it get better for me. Go back and read it again and try to apply.

WTWizard

Before doing that, I suggest ordering and reading Crisis of Conscience and seeing if you still want to go back. You will learn how the organization is really run, and not fall for the scams that will be waiting for you if you ever do go back.

I myself have thought about whether or not I could get information about what is going on in my local congregation by going to a meeting. My decision is always that it is not worth the risk. At best, I have wasted the time and have houndings coming about where I have been. At worst, I could simply be recaptured, hauled off to live with the lead hounder and never again see freedom or have the opportunity for anything but that fxxxing Ministerial Training School followed by a zillion simultaneous assignments to repair the congregations and a life of celibacy (and rewarding Jehovah for it).

Definitely not worth it.

Cindi_67

Ham:

I can understand you wanting to go back, about being confused, lost. I confess, I too find myself feeling the same way. I have actually attended a few meetings, maybe 3 and I don't feel anything different, I don't feel anything amazing happening to me. If I find that Sunday's talk interesting in the beginning, there is always something that takes that away, some unrelated illustration in the part of the "brother", to make you get the point, etc.

We really like for you to tell us what is it you read that made you want to go back, but like you said you are going back out of guilt. "Guilt" is the key word. You shouldn't be doing anything out of guilt, but out of love for what you believe, out of desire to follow what you are taught because you believe in it 100%.

I have felt that I need to be there, because I still feel that JW's could be the only ones God uses today to spread his word to others and that other religions are no better, besides nobody is perfect, and even the Organization is not perfect. There are a lot of errors, and of course the fact that you can't do things for yourself it's what makes it hard to want to be there. Peter told Jesus once: Who will we go to? You have sayings of everlasting life. And that's when they couldn't understand some of Jesus' teachings. I am not trying to either encourage you nor discourage you from going back, but analyze first the real reasons why you are doing it.

I still can't find myself starting to go, because right now it's not what I feel, but I wanted to tell you I've been there.

bite me

You should not feel guity, or feel the need to go back. There is plenty of evidence to prove the religion incorrect in their teachings. I'm sure the people (some of them anyway) are great. If you decide to leave, you will see who your real friends are. I have a friend who was in left and went back. She was blown off from a lot of her most closest friends because the organization told them to do do so because she were no longer in the "truth"
I think that religion is all about seeing how many people they can hurt. It is not mans place to judge. I forget what bible verse that was in, but it is the truth. We should not judge one just because of what or how they believe. It is the persons own conscience to believe how they wish. They are the ones that will have to face Jesus in the end.

Best wishes.

journey-on

Matt. 11: 28-30: "Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light."

Find your peace, dear sir....wherever that is.

Rapunzel

Dear Poppers: I found your post to be quite interesting; in it you write - "Every belief, every idea, is comprised solelyofthought and is untrue". Using the adjective every leads logically to the unavoidable conclusion that the very belief that every belief, every idea, is comprised solely of thought and is untrue is itself untrue.

You also write of the "reality" of what a person is, and the "truth" of a person's "essential being." I wonder: How could I ever hope to know, or even approach, the reality of who I am - how could I ever hope to grasp the truth of my essential being - when every thought and idea that I hold of myself is untrue?

Having a guilty conscience and maybe I should go back to JW

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