Having a guilty conscience and maybe I should go back to JW

by hambeak 62 Replies latest jw experiences

  • moshe
    moshe

    The problem is, that what the WT prints is not equal to what they are. It's all a charade for them at the top. I am sure there are a lot of well meaning folks at the KH, but trust me , if you go back you will be "marked" for many years, if ever totally accepted and then one day at the WT study you will get indignant over some obvious lie in the lesson and you will just have to stand up and expose the lie- oops, it's all over for you and you'll be kicked right back out to the curb. Go have a margarita and then another one until this urge to return to the KH passes.

    Have a great weekend Ham-

    shalom,

    Moshe

  • botheyesopen
    botheyesopen

    i'm not going to try to push you either way, but i'll ask you to consider a few basic questions before making your decision: 1. do you value the association more than you value truth?--------- 2. when you left, did you only question some practices and beliefs or did you question the fundamental assumption that "god" has communicated with humans through the bible and continues to communicate through an organization?------------ 3. have you accepted the kool-aid that essentially says "you are morally obligated to accept our information as having come from god"?------- this last one is a doozy. it functions like a room whose doors open only from the outside. if you at some point made an emotional connection between accepting the "voice" of the society as having moral or spiritual authority, it's extremely difficult to see any other option than to obey them. (this by the way indicates that you are probably a very nice, "sheeplike" individual.) the problem is that if they were dead wrong you would have no way to see it. your psychological submission to their authority, still very much alive in your mind, would prevent you from realizing that you were incorrect.---------- try this (if you want): read numbers 31 and ask yourself, do i find it plausible that god would authorize this? if you do, you should realize that you're in serious psychological trouble. think about it: you'd be saying that it makes sense to you that god inspired moses to first order a genocide, then send the soldiers back to kill the women and children BUT to save the hot girls who were still virgins so that the soldiers could have some fun. you'd be saying that the idea that this passage came from MEN is not reasonable, and that it makes more sense to you that this passage came from a being OF HIGHER MORAL AUTHORITY. ----------- if you need more, read deuteronomy 13:6-13, where believers are told BY MOSES (allegedly directly from god - and remember that the law is the only part of the bible claimed to have been DIRECTLY authored by god) to EXECUTE those who question the beliefs - including the believer's wife, husband, child, friend, mother, father, etc. for NOT BELIEVING!!!! ask self: do i really believe that this age-old reinforcement technique (of killing those who question) is from our moral authority? i've ruled out the idea that this is from the men who were in charge?----- if you still need more, read exodus (which authorizes slavery, instructs believers on how to trick fellow believers into becoming slaves for life, and instructs on how to sell your daughter as a sex slave-- among other genocides and atrocities directly attributed to god).-------- if you still feel guilty for not feeling right with their beliefs, i'd suggest that you try (with the help of a good therapist) to figure out what it is that is so attractive about this set of beliefs that you're willing to bend reason to the extent that you are bending it. remember, according to exodus, jehovah killed millions of innocent egyptian babies to make a point to pharoah THAT HE KNEW PHAROAH WOULDN'T APPRECIATE ANYWAY. according to the watchtower, god did it to prove that he was stronger than the corresponding egyptian god of fertility. so the highest moral authority in the universe kills innocent babies to prove that he is stronger than the other (scripturally very real) gods. if you find this idea of morality appealing, either you're THAT morally screwed up OR (more likely) you're having trouble letting go of some part of the belief... please feel free to send me a message if you'd like to reason on this together. i'll make the time, but if you really want to go back i'll respect it.

  • rache31
    rache31

    I've just had that feeling recently. But it only happened when I listened to some things that JW were saying. If I don't let that in my head, I'm okay. And because I had been raised in it, all I knew was guilt and low self-worth. If you don't read the materials it won't get stuck in your head!

  • darkuncle29
    darkuncle29

    Call me silly, but to me it seems Hambeak is in more need of hugs or support than a bunch of brow beating with facts and 'how could you'.

    Hambeak, in the end you do what you feel you have to do, but I would strongly encourage you to NOT go back. There is only pain there. Who do you have as a support structure outside of the Borg? Go and talk to these people, jsut be with them. See a therapist and tackle your guilt issues. Guilt can be useful to help us to change or empathise with others, but taken past that guilt is toxic and eats you up, at that point it is useless.

  • parakeet
    parakeet

    Hambeak, I've followed your postings for almost two years. I especially remember the thread in which you offered free automotive advice for anyone who asked (and many did ask, including me). It must have taken days for you to respond to everyone, which you did. Your other posts also reveal that you are a kind, gentle man, the type wholly unsuited to the WTS's harsh demands.

    I think you're just going through a bad patch right now. Before committing yourself to the WTS again, I suggest you see a doctor and describe what you're going through. Maybe you need therapy and medication for depression. Maybe your recent illness is still weighing on your mind. Please, please, before you make a mistake that will dump far more guilt on you than you can on yourself, take a little more time and seek more rational remedies.

    Hambeak, you're way too good for them.

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Botheyesopen,

    WELCOME to the forum! We are happy to have you here!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • ronin1
    ronin1

    If you are going to return, do it not because of guilt but because you truly believe all the doctrines, rules, etc. that the WTS has taught over all these years (ie: blood transfusion doctrinal changes,, generation changes, 144,000 dogma changes, child molestion excuses and coverups, UN scandal,) etc.

    Only you can make that decision.

    Ronin1

  • yknot
    yknot

    Ham

    Moshe nailed it:

    The problem is, that what the WT prints is not equal to what they are.

    I am praying for you

    Y

  • isnrblog
    isnrblog

    Look at all yhe evidence. Do some research on the contradictions and ouright lies in the literature.

    Make your own decision, but get as many facts first.

    Fred www.isnrblog.com

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Hi hambeak,
    You are clearly searching for the truth but surely you have been here long enough to know that the WTO is not it and at the heart of the organization is lies and deceit.

    Why would you want to go back to that?

    There is absolute truth and here it is

    John 3:3 (New International Version)
    In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again. "

    So unlearn what you have learned as a JW and have the faith of a child.

    Mark 10:15
    I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it."

    All the best,
    Stephen

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