Why socialism will not work in America...

by zeroday 254 Replies latest jw friends

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  sammielee24

  Gregor - in response to your statement that the USA has the highest standard of living, life expectancy and so on - you may wish to read up on that. The life expectancy in the USA is less than other industrialized countries and your infant mortality is worse - I believe that Cuba has less infant mortality but I could be off one country or so on that. In fact for 27 years now, Canada has ranked highest for 10 of those years followed by Norway and Japan. The USA never reached that level and in fact has dropped in the rankings between 12 and 16th; placing after France, Iceland, Norway, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Netherlands etc. sammieswife.

  The Human Development Index (HDI) is the measure of life expectancy, literacy, education, standard of living,and GDP per capita for countries worldwide. It is a standard means of measuring well-being, especially child welfare. It is used to determine and indicate whether a country is a developed, developing, or underdeveloped country and also to measure the impact of economic policies on quality of life. [1]
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  sammielee24

  The question that is still relevant "Why are so many trying to get into and live in the USA and so few leaving?

  Very basically it's a push/pull factor. Ask yourself why is a person desirous of leaving their country to immigrate to the USA - that is - what is pushing them to immigrate? Some reasons might be economics, education, family or persecution. The pull might be the same - more jobs, access to education, family and freedom to engage in religion etc or a lack of persecution. The next question you might ask yourself however is what quality of immigrant are you attracting? If people cannot read, are not literate, are not employable or do not seek to become citizens long term, then some of those immigrants may well become a drain on resources. The majority of immigrants currently come from Mexico, Phillipines, China and I think possibly India - but with outsourcing, those graduates and professionals that may have come here in years past, are in fact staying in their own countries where jobs are becoming more plentiful and better paying. The USA has quickly become a service industry, providing many jobs, most low paying and requiring little education and/or limited skills - far away from the manufacturing industry that it once was. sammieswife.
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  BurnTheShips

  A sister nation? No, a sovereign nation.

  Only sovereign because we allow you to be in order to humor you. Your entire system is thoroughly dependent on our own. You are joined at the hip-no the head-to us and you know it. We could break you up into the next 20 states of the Union if we liked. It would probably do you good and give you a chance to drive south for cheap liquor for those long cold winters without having to show a passport. This whole post is evidence of the Canadian inferiority complex.
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  BurnTheShips

  Tell me when was the last time Canada was defended by the United States in a war that threatened its sovereignty?

  Canada can afford to be lax. You fuck with Canada and you've fucked with its big brother. Who the hell would want to own that icebox anyway.

  Canada has its own coast gaurd, army, and air force.

  Feeble little things. "Children" playing at soldiers. Not to mention the hardware is largely the product of the US military industrial complex.

  Perhaps it is a reason why the government of Canada does not need to spend a million dollars a second on the military budget.

  No, as noted earlier, Canada is under the sheild of its big brother.

  Please remember that the NAFTA treaty specifies Canada send 60% of it's production south of the border. Without that, the United States would lose quite an influx of natural resources, including conventional and unconvential oil, and most of the natural gas that heats the New England states in the wintertime. Dependance is a two-way street. However, the advantage is on the side of the seller, and China and India would gladly make up for any lost profit suffered from American withdrawal in the Canadian market.

  No. Canada knows it is in its interest to sell its product next door and not the other side of the world. When all is said and done, the Anglosphere shares a common heritage. And family sticks together.

  In some countries, the citizenry are in charge of making the decision to go to war. Or at the very least, like to be informed as to the reason for the call.

  The decision to go to war was made by elected officials through constitutional means. What is your point?
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  journey-on

  Canada and the U.S. are sister nations. That is a fact. And when all is said and done, remember this:

  Only four defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
  1. Jesus Christ
  2. The American G. I.
  3. The British Soldier and
  4. The Canadian Soldier
  
  One died for your soul, the other 3 for your freedom.
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  BurnTheShips

  Only four defining forces have ever offered to die for you:
  1. Jesus Christ
  2. The American G. I.
  3. The British Soldier and
  4. The Canadian Soldier
  
  One died for your soul, the other 3 for your freedom.

  I know I sound anti-Canadian but this kid pissed me off.

  And don't forget the Aussies. They kick ass.
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  journey-on

  Oh, yeah...The Aussies. I love 'em. Gotta include them for sure.....sorry I left them out.
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  Mincan

  Only sovereign because we allow you to be in order to humor you. Your entire system is thoroughly dependent on our own. You are joined at the hip-no the head-to us and you know it. We could break you up into the next 20 states of the Union if we liked. It would probably do you good and give you a chance to drive south for cheap liquor for those long cold winters without having to show a passport.

  Are you serious? First off, "we"? Do you speak for the 300 million American citizens? Again, "me"? Who says I agree with everything my 30 million (yes the United States does outnumber Canada 10 to 1 in terms of population) countrymen decide or the way our government is run? If you notice, I never take jabs at American citizens as a whole, rather the policies and history of the government of the United States, which [may have at one time] reflected the wishes of the American citizenry. You make your premises clear... remember, if you try to slip your premises by people, you got them hooked... apply this to the government of the United States. Hardly anyone states their premises for anything anymore.

  Secondly, the American military is at breaking point, it cannot subjugate Iraq, let alone Iran, how could it possibly afford to launch another offensive, and that on a first world country? Stop loss has been in place for what, three years now? Only way would be a draft, already being pushed in congress the last few years, but sofar rejected.

  Thirdly, the American economy is having a nosedive while the Canadian dollar rises ever higher based on the primary and secondary industries that support it (the same industries America has exhausted/dismantled since their oil peak in 1970, but I digress...I would also like to add to the fact you may not want to harp on those of us that praise our falling populations).

  Fourthly, the world at large would not condone this. Then again, they won't condone Iran, and most do not condone Iraq but that hasn't stopped anything. How many international laws do you think the gov't of the US would break? I suppose it wouldn't matter, since the WTO already declared the American tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber illegal, yet the US has yet to repay their debt.

  Fifth, with what would you personally justify this? I don't want to attack your character but what would your country and countrymen gain from this? (Other than another half continent of resources to exploit full tilt, including the 3.5 mbpd of oil flowing...oh wait, you didn't know that Canada was the largest supplier of oil to the United States did you? Shhhh...don't tell anyone it's not Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Iraq, Iran or Venezuala, etc etc ad infinitum) How would the government of the United States convince it's citizenry that Canada needs to be annexed? And don't even think about watching Canadian Bacon starring John Candy(1995)!

  Honestly though, since you bring this up, this is how I see it. The international bankers are trying to get the three largest member nations of North America (yes there are more...) to form a NAU because they can sense the impending importance of Canadian and Mexican resources for the largest oil user in the world (5% of the population, 25% of the oil), and obviously there is no sane way to justify taking it by force from these nations. Notwithstanding the fact that Mexico's superfield Canterall peaked two years ago and is facing massive drop off rate percentages. Since the media is not covering this development at all, it will be especially interesting to watch these secret conferences continue between the two presidents and the prime minister.
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  sammielee24

  My argument was that America sends out those she considers "scum" to protect the interest of the monied elite.

  While I think your choice of word was not one that I would have used, I do understand your argument. It is there for everyone to see - the fact that it is most often the poor or disadvantaged youth in the USA that enlist and not the children of the wealthy or the elite. The last report showed recruitment to include those with criminal pasts becasue the army is unable to reach their quota. We should add in that in this great capitalist society, we also allowed the government to contract out some services linked to it's military where those employees get paid 10 times what the soldier protecting and dying for their country are being paid. The life of the private contractor, paid by the taxpayer of the US via the government, is worth more than that of a US soldier who enlisted, trained and engaged in combat believing he was working for his country. Now - that's skewed ....sammieswife.
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  Mincan

  Who the hell would want to own that icebox anyway.

  Oh I don't know, anyone with interest in natural resources.

  Feeble little things. "Children" playing at soldiers. Not to mention the hardware is largely the product of the US military industrial complex.

  Sources please? Canadian military hardware often differs from American.

  No, as noted earlier, Canada is under the sheild of its big brother.

  You haven't actually proved that. You keep saying it. Does Canada need to be protected? That is the question. Are there nations or organisations that want to "take Canada out"? I'll state for emphasis the fact that the protection of Canadian waters and air space is accomplished with the Canadian military.

  No. Canada knows it is in its interest to sell its product next door and not the other side of the world. When all is said and done, the Anglosphere shares a common heritage. And family sticks together.

  You are extremely ignorant on matters pertaining to economics. And demographics. Canada is not Anglosaturated. There is those of French descent who I believe make up 13 of the 30 million people living here (I could be off a few million, might be 7), and now a growing majority of Chinese and Indian peoples. Many of the massive immigrations in the first half of the 20th century were by German and Italian families. Just as the United states, there is no anglosphere, other than the institutions that reflect the British common law.

  The decision to go to war was made by elected officials through constitutional means. What is your point?

  My point is when a majority of American polled show discontent with continuence in Iraq and these elected officials do nothing to reflect that discontent, who is running the country? The President? That would be considered a dictatorship. If you've checked any of the many executive orders that the current President has passed, you would have already realised much of the American judicial and legislative branches have dissolved all power to the executive.

  I know I sound anti-Canadian but this kid pissed me off.

  You have allowed yourself to be pissed off because you misunderstood me. You continue to believe your preconceptions. This is a display of close-mindedness. You don't sound anti-Canadian, but you sound utterly trapped in delusions of granduer in the power and abilities of your country.