I'll report later what Julia tells me.
It really does not matter what Julia says, in my opinion. The Catholic Church teaches very clearly on the subject. BTS
Can being gay live in harmony with being a christian?
by digderidoo 70 Replies latest jw friends
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BurnTheShips
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scotsman
BTS
Don't worry, I feel the love! I don't have a problem with your disapproval, am content to be labelled a sinner (some would say I revel in it) but I wouldn't vote to have you discriminated against because of your choice beliefs.
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BurnTheShips
Don't worry, I feel the love! I don't have a problem with your disapproval, am content to be labelled a sinner (some would say I revel in it) but I wouldn't vote to have you discriminated against because of your choice beliefs.
Neither would I. I am very libertarian.
BTS
P.S.
I'm a sinner too.
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FlyingHighNow
It matters to me. She is a Sinsinawa Dominican Nun. They are progressive and more with the forward movement of the church.
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FlyingHighNow
The Church has an official stance on things. But reality in the church is more what I look at. I knew a gay couple at St. Mark's. Glenna and Sara. Glenna was Roman Catholic. She told me there were many active gays in the Roman church as well as priests who were active gays. I'd like to hear Julia's ideas and thoughts on it.
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lesterd
Bravo, "what we once were", change, that does not mean the desires are gone, only that the spirit to control them are there. Yes one who is homosexual inside can be a Christain outside, those are probably among the strongest, because they have the hardest test of faith.
Romans 7:
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Did, then, what is good become death to me? Never may that happen! But sin did, that it might be shown as sin working out death for me through that which is good; that sin might become far more sinful through the commandment. 14 For we know that the Law is spiritual; but I am fleshly, sold under sin. 15 For what I am working out I do not know. For what I wish, this I do not practice; but what I hate is what I do. 16 However, if what I do not wish is what I do, I agree that the Law is fine. 17 But now the one working it out is no longer I, but sin that resides in me. 18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, there dwells nothing good; for ability to wish is present with me, but ability to work out what is fine is not [present]. 19 For the good that I wish I do not do, but the bad that I do not wish is what I practice. 20 If, now, what I do not wish is what I do, the one working it out is no longer I, but the sin dwelling in me. -
BurnTheShips
those are probably among the strongest, because they have the hardest test of faith.
I suspect that some of the greatest and most influential Christians have been inwardly homosexual.
BTS
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easyreader1970
The problem is this: Humans have a sin scale, in the bible God does not.
Humans have somehow determined that homosexuality is worse than heterosexual fornication. There are other sins as well that people will "rank." Society still feels that homosexuality is a higher ranked sin than many other more acceptable ones. For instance, alcoholism or gluttony would probably rank pretty low on most people's sin scales. Even adultery is often overlooked. But for some reason people stuck homosexuality at the top of the list, right up there with murder. Profanity and blaspheming speech is definitely way at the bottom of the list.
Either Christ makes a way for sinners or he does not. If he does, then that should apply to all sins. If he doesn't then homosexuals be rejected along with every other human on the face of the earth.
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chickpea
Humans have somehow determined that homosexuality is worse than heterosexual fornication
exactly!! thank you, er
i wonder too, how an arms dealer could be considered to be in harmony with being a christian, or a cigarette manufacturer, or a soldier, for that matter, whose role is to egage in the taking of lives deemed expendable by a worldly government? just something i wonder about when i see the furor over something like sexual orientation
lots of things are out of harmony with what one might conceive to be "christian"
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Indo_Dude
easyreader:
The problem is this: Humans have a sin scale, in the bible God does not.
Humans have somehow determined that homosexuality is worse than heterosexual fornication. There are other sins as well that people will "rank." Society still feels that homosexuality is a higher ranked sin than many other more acceptable ones. For instance, alcoholism or gluttony would probably rank pretty low on most people's sin scales. Even adultery is often overlooked. But for some reason people stuck homosexuality at the top of the list, right up there with murder. Profanity and blaspheming speech is definitely way at the bottom of the list.
Either Christ makes a way for sinners or he does not. If he does, then that should apply to all sins. If he doesn't then homosexuals be rejected along with every other human on the face of the earth.
er
You've hit the nail on the head. As Sweetface had posted on another thread, it is much like an exJW who was DFd for cigarette smoking judging another DF'd person whose sin was adultery, as being 'worse'. Or someone DF'd for adultery judging me for DA'ing myself for being gay, as being worse. We are all the same, it doesn't matter one way or the other to the JW. Same goes for the bible. In many if not all instances there are a whole list of sins grouped together as being EQUALLY offensive, an abomination, or evil. Why is everyone so keen on Leviticus damning homosexuals, but don't care about eating shell fish, wearing clothes made from more than one kind of fiber, or cutting one's locks of hair? Same goes for other verses. It lists liars, cheaters, and fornicators right along with homosexuality. How many people have lied? Or cheated? Have you always reported absolutely every nickel you have earned to the IRS? These are all identical sins according to God.
But many seek to use homosexuals to feel better about themselves. They use their hate of gay people, and probable own latent desires to label as a group as 'worse'. That way they can preen on the pulpit, thinking to themselves, 'at least I'm not as evil, and unworthy as those people'. It's a mechanism to soothe one's own guilty conscience. Jesus knew this, and yet people today are still just as wrapped up in defining sin as the Pharisee's. Jesus specifically reviewed that there were 2 commandments. To love God, and to love your neighbor. That's it, that's all. And he said, he who keeps these two, keeps them all.