At risk - I dare a discussion of the gay lifestyle/human nature. (page 6)

OnTheWayOut

Jeff, I was kidding about the moderator thing. Get some rest.

Anecdotal evidence- that's very true. Guys can verify that guys can
be the worst, straight or gay. Anecdotal again, but I would venture
to agree that hetero males are more open about their drooling over
a pretty woman because society is more accepting of their hetero
behaviour.

One of the AA groups I go to is full of gay men and women. Some are
hot young guys, some are average looking. Many are not showing their
sexuality at all, but their discussion reveals whether they are gay. Others
dress the part or have mannerisms of the stereotypical gay. Now, it's an
anonymous setting for support, not a pick-up joint, but I don't see any
inappropriate leering. Men are not unable to hide it or deny it, but men
are (for lack of a better term) pigs. Sooner or later, we show our interest.

Some men can keep their eyes on their significant other no matter what
walks by. Most cannot if the eye candy is sweet enough. Individuals'
stories of individuals (anecdotal evidence) doesn't sway me.

RebelWife

Homosexuality occurs in the animal kingdom. Do geese or cattle decide to be gay? Are they "rebelling" against their parents? Is it a choice for humans but not any other life forms? Just something I've always wondered about.

beksbks

Scotsman,

Our life looks a lot like the lives of other couples we're friends with friends, gay and straight. I have friends who have promiscuous sex, gay and straight. I have friends who are into fetishistic sex, gay and straight. Gay people aren't the 'other', they're the pretty much the same as you - dull/funny/freakish/ordinary/religious/agnostic etc. etc.

I've lived, worked, and socialized with many gays and lesbians, this has been my experience as well.

Restrangled that is one guy. Think of all the hetero men who may not expose themselves, but can seem to think of nothing but "hot babes". Actually, think of all the women you may have known, and tell me none of them have felt the need to expose themselves. I don't believe it has to do with gay or straight, I believe it has to do with self esteem, and need for attention.

OtisBarker

Not to confuse sexuality with "love;" but is there evidence of monogamous "loving" homosexual relationships in the animal kingdom?

I was raised on a cattle ranch in Wyoming. I've seen cows hump each other...as I've seen dogs hump each other. Humping is pretty common in the animal kingdom. But monogamous relationships are pretty rare. I'm no expert on animal husbandry, but I've observed that animals do what they do for reasons other than "love" relationships. Often times, humping is a "signal" to bulls (for instance) that the heifers are ready.

It would seem that the comparison of "homosexual behavior" in the animal kingdom with humans is tenuous at best.

Otis

BizzyBee

we should not make children feel unatural towards a natural part of life, if we teach children about how natural it is to love someone of the opposite sex then it should also be taught that if you are attracted to the same sex it should be regarded as being as natural.

Welllllll........my point was that, if it comes naturally, it does not have to be "taught." We don't have to "teach" children to prefer strawberry over vanilla. If we reassure them that they are loved no matter what flavor they prefer, we are not pushing one way or the other - I think that gives kids more a sense of security within which to explore their own preferences and, yes, sexuality.

Sexuality does not have to be "taught," it emerges as it will, often against all resistance. As devout JWs, taught that sex was very bad, guilted that the Jehovah who created sex pretty much frowns upon our human expression of it, we surely realize that sex is an unstoppable force!

avishai

Not to confuse sexuality with "love;" but is there evidence of monogamous "loving" homosexual relationships in the animal kingdom?

I was raised on a cattle ranch in Wyoming. I've seen cows hump each other...as I've seen dogs hump each other. Humping is pretty common in the animal kingdom. But monogamous relationships are pretty rare. I'm no expert on animal husbandry, but I've observed that animals do what they do for reasons other than "love" relationships. Often times, humping is a "signal" to bulls (for instance) that the heifers are ready.

It would seem that the comparison of "homosexual behavior" in the animal kingdom with humans is tenuous at best.

No, it's not, there are instances of lesbian seagulls nestig, laying eggs togerther, for one, and many other examples.

SixofNine

No, it's not, there are instances of lesbian seagulls nestig, laying eggs togerther, for one, and many other examples.

Not to mention that there is good reason to question whether or not monogamy is even the "natural" state of humans. Even while most human societies consider it the norm, the humans in said societies are less than monogamous. See for reference: sex before marriage, adultery, and divorce. Covers almost everyone at some point in their lives; so no, humans are not really all that monogamous.

Mr. Ted

Being gay can be dangerous. This danger affects gay or gay-acting children. Not only with bullying or being physically assaulted -- but even murder. In Feb. 2008, gay eighth-grade student Lawrence King was shot in the back of the head by another boy in Oxnard, California. King had previously been taunted by students and was living in a shelter for abused and troubled youth. Two lives taken: King's and his 14-year-old murderer who will go to prison. There are many such cases including Matthew Shepard and Brandon Teena. Why would a youth choose to be gay?

I know lots of gay and lesbian people on the West and East coast -- they don't fit any of the stereotypes -- just like Rock Hudson, Richard Chamberlain or Raymond Massey didn't act like Paul Lynde. Most of my friends say they knew they were gay in childhood. Some are in long-term relationships and are raising children and leading productive lives. None of them chose to be gay

I have a dear gay friend who has been blind from birth. Even though he's never looked at pornography, checked out "sexy" men, or "cruised" anyone -- he tells me he knew he had same-gender crushes and desires starting in middle-school. And this was back in the late '50s and early '60s when homosexuality was definitely taboo. He says when it comes to love and intimacy -- he can only think of being with a man. And no, he was not sexually abused as a child.

Being gay is not a choice.

Farkel

Jeff,

:Please do not denigrate this thread.

I'm gonna denigrate the shit out of this thread as soon as I find out what "denigrate' actually means.

I'll get back to ya then.

Farkel

AK - Jeff

I'm gonna denigrate the shit out of this thread as soon as I find out what "denigrate' actually means.
I'll get back to ya then.
Farkel

This thread was pretty serious and it needed that bit of levity, Farkel. Uh-oh, now you gotta look up levity too. Damn.

Jeff

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