You know, I've yet to meet a JW who can explain this

by Lady Zombie 63 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  caliber

  Does a 3 year old have the reasoning power of a 15 year old ? Now that you're 35 does the logic of 15 year old

  seem wise to you ? I am 55 do I understand more than when I was a 35 year old ? Is there no farther wisdom

  I can gain by 65 ? Has my learning stopped ? Ask the question ...how long has God been around

  before I was even born ? Now is there any more questions ? The infinite is incapable of defining the finite.

  Having a limit; limited in quantity, degree, or capacity; bounded; -- opposed to infinite; as, finite number; finite existence; a finite being; a finite mind; finite duration (definition of finite)

  Caliber
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  Homerovah the Almighty

  Does anyone know how clean brains off of a computer monitor , cause after reading caliber's post my brain exploded
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  caliber

  Homerovah the Almighty,

  Protein digester's work the best on protein stains ...be sure to use a paint scraper and lots

  of elbow grease ! hee hee hee

  edit last post ... reverse words ... The finite can not understand the infinite ! ( I even confused myself .)

  Caliber
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  tictoc

  All I know is that I really am sick of being a pawn in the universal soverienty issue (if its true) between satan and God, why because we inherited sin from two numb nuts, and have to pay, forever grateful to the ransom of the son Jesus, stuff up and beg for holy spirit. I find the most hypocritcal people among religion, and can't stand to see people working their tower buts of to keep a group of ol men in a job.
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  lisavegas420

  Excellent post tictoc,

  and welcome,

  lisa
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  tartarus

  Ah-h! The mysteries of life. Who knows? The Governing Body of course. They are the channel.
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  AuldSoul

  Lady Zombie,

  Perhaps you mean omniscience instead of omnipotence. Omniscience is all knowing. Omnipotence is all powerful.

  Power possessed does not necessarily mean power utilized. It is perfectly plausible to have an all powerful God who chooses how to use and when to use that power. In such a case, free will is possible even with an omnipotent God.

  Respectfully,
  AuldSoul

  {edit: I didn't read the entire thread before replying to the OP. I see others made the same point.}
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  joey jojo

  This is the exact question someone asked me while I was witnessing to them in field service one morning. I opened my mouth to give him the usual 'parrot-like' response about free-will and the sovereignty debate between God and Satan and I found that my answer didn't satisfy me- and definitely not the house-holder.

  It is one of the 1000 cuts of death that caused me to fade.

  I always assumed God knew EVERYTHING that had happened and was ever going to happen, I mean doesn't the bible say that 'God knows the end from the beginning?' Isa 46:10.

  The main problem apologists have with this is of course that if God knew that man was going to have thousands of years of pain and grief because of sin, as a loving God, why would he let that happen- just to prove man has 'free will'?

  I was thinking about this subject again recently and checked on jw.org to see what the 'current thinking' was.

  The June 1st, 2006 Watchtower contains this jaw-dropping gem:

  17 Jehovah apparently chose not to foresee what Adam—and Eve—would do, even though He has the ability to know everything in advance. It is therefore a question, not of whether Jehovah can foresee the future, but of whether he chooses to do so. Furthermore, we can reason that Jehovah, being a God of love, would not knowingly and cruelly predetermine that rebellion—with all its sad consequences—should take place. (Matthew 7:11; 1 John 4:8) Thus, as far as Jehovah’s exercise of foreknowledge is concerned, it is selective.

  So, here we have the wts, who seemingly understand the 'mind of God', saying that God has 'selective knowledge'.

  Selective knowledge implies, (to me anyway), that God DOES know what is coming but chooses to ignore it, otherwise, how can he 'select' which knowledge to notice and which to ignore?

  It also treats God with great disrespect, suggesting that he is like an engineer that has set some machinery in motion yet chooses not to think about the consequences. Kind of hard to believe if you also accept that God has created the stars, put them all in their place and knows their names.

  Never ceases to amaze me how far the borg will go to defend their beliefs.
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  Finkelstein

  Religion is about taking bullshit and reworking up more bullshit, then wrapping a pretty ribbon around it to present to the public.
  
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  Anders Andersen

  A prudent man foresees the difficulties ahead and prepares for them;
  the simpleton goes blindly on and suffers the consequences.
  Proverbs 22:3

  A sensible man watches for problems ahead and prepares to meet them.
  The simpleton never looks and suffers the consequences.
  Proverbs 27:12

  Compare God’s use of foreordination with the way he uses his power. As the Almighty, God has absolute power. (Psalm 91:1; Isaiah 40:26, 28) But does he use his power in an uncontrolled manner? No. For instance, he held back from acting against Babylon, an enemy of ancient Israel, until the time was right. “I kept exercising self-control,” God said. (Isaiah 42:14) The same principle applies to his use of foreknowledge and foreordination. Jehovah exercises self-control in order to respect the free will that he gave us.
  Awakazine!

  Selective foreknowledge means that God could choose not to foreknow indiscriminately all the future acts of his creatures. This would mean that, rather than all history from creation onward being a mere rerun of what had already been foreseen and foreordained, God could with all sincerity set before the first human pair the prospect of everlasting life in an earth free from wickedness.
  Insight - Foreknowledge

  According to Jehovah's Witnesses theology Jehovah is not prudent, shrewd or sensible, but a simpleton and inexperienced.
  He deliberately chose to not know what he could have known - the consequences of his own actions. Result: billions suffered badly. This is the worst f#ckup in all history of design and decision making. Ever.
  
  In this theology God is like a pedestrian who chooses to close his eyes when crossing a highway, in order to not influence the drivers' free will to brake, swerve or just overrun him. It doesn't make sense at all.

  On the bright side: all this is like discussing whether Superman's feces are orange or blue.
  (We all know he doesn't go #2 ever ;-))