Is It Me Or Are The Males of Today More Feminine and/or Nerdy Than Ever B4?

by minimus 88 Replies latest jw friends

  • Fadeout
    Fadeout

    I think it's interesting that the topic associates femininity with nerdyness.

    To be a "man," do I have to change the oil on my car? Or is it enough that I know how to do it, but I don't want to, so I pay someone else to do it for me?

    Does being good at computers, math, and science make me less of a man (and more of a nerd)?

    Do I get man points for watching football, and have them taken away for putting the toilet seat down?

    Sounds to me like what some people are describing as "manliness" is just crass, rude, or stupid behavior.

    "I don't bathe or wear deodorant. I slam doors in the faces of old ladies. I ride not one, but two Harleys... at the same time! I eat all my meals out of various garbage cans. Graaaaahhrr! See how manly I am!"

    Seems like a very juvenile idea of manliness to me. To me, manliness means being wise, self-sufficient, healthy, emotionally secure, courteous.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    Seems like a very juvenile idea of manliness to me. To me, manliness means being wise, self-sufficient, healthy, emotionally secure, courteous.

    Yes.

  • saywhat29
    saywhat29

    Oh, this topic is interesting!

    Actually, I think there are lots of ways to be a man and that the reason we see more 'feminine' men is because we are now allowed to see them without them being a joke (okay, let's stop... sometimes they are STILL a joke) and can be open and honest about our feelings. Masculinity is not something that can be bottled and typecast into a few activities. Some of the 'strongest' (i.e. read typical belching in public frat boys) men I know are only strong because they can't face their emotions. Their are swishy men that have more backbone than they do. *shrugs* It's true.

    But then I also wouldn't call those swishy men 'masculine' either. *shrugs* However, I don't say that somehow a man who isn't masculine is somehow less than a man or not worth as much because they are gender atypical.... different maybe but not less than. I don't know... but again there are so many ways to masculinity and so many facets... black masculinity, poor, mestizo/Indian, white, rich, gay... they way we go about it and the way they all mix and clash is what is interesting.

    Personally, I prefer masculine guys but to me, I realize that that is totally up to the individual in how they express themselves. So when people are replying with their 'I prefer x/I don't like x in guys; I prefer y.. y is too much", does it really matter? In the end, as long as there is someone out their that responds to your version of it, then I guess its working. So whether the Ryan Seacrest make you wanna barf, there are still websites filled with women still championing his heterosexuality, or whether its your Burt Renolds types who you know will have guts and have to kick out of the house a few times like a petulant drunk child, they are all forms and versions of masculinity, working for the individual and the group as a whole.

    So don't knock the "pussification" of men since no one EVER discourages the "cockification" of women to demand and assert themselves; where women with guns who kick ass are seen as exciting for having traits that are typical of men (although they somehow have the bodies of 20 year olds for some ODD unrealistic reason... but hey, I can't talk, 'cause fags like their men buff and roided out so maybe we all men have unrealistic perceptions of their sexual objects) because we all came from a pussy... most of us like pussy and should thus appreciate some of the pussy's (read: qualities we regard as feminine) traits. Masculinity will not be watered down or destroyed (come to my underground built in dungeon in about 8 yearsand you'll always find it) just because it coexists with another gender. You can drink your beers, watch your football, read your comics, watch your Project Runway, squeeze your penis, or lift some weights, and still consider yourself a guy.

    Calms down, y'all.

  • minimus
    minimus

    This is a great thread!

    About not classifying things, putting them into little boxes, I'm with Hillary. It's what it is.

    God, I love the term "pussification".Men should not allow themselves to be pussified.

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly
    Re: Is It Me Or Are The Males of Today More Feminine and/or Nerdy Than Ever B4?

    Yep. Used to be we had young men with long toenails and some manners who learned to work with tools at their daddy's knee. A good woman could fix the rest. If they could find the cash, a couple of years of college went a long way with these fellows too.

    Now days I meet a lot of young men that fall into 2 general camps:

    • Self absorbed little nitwits that may be 'metro' or whatever........ but they can play video games
    • Ungroomed little Kurt Cobain wannbees who need a bath..........but they can play video games.

    When I was a youngster I figure older men did not like me because:

    • Their ship had sailed without them and they hated my potential
    • I was young and goofy and took some time to teach

    However, I never felt:

    • A lack of confidence
    • the urge to be a slacker
    • a need to denigrate those with better manual or mental skills than me or those around me

    But, in my opinion, we have raised a generation of young men who are lacking in a lot of basic skills. like:

    • Grit
    • Honesty
    • Determination
    • Morals
    • Honor
    • Self worth

    "pussification" yea ...maybe.

    Jeff

  • minimus
    minimus

    Well said Hillbilly!

  • M.J.
    M.J.

    :I think it's interesting that the topic associates femininity with nerdyness.

    Haven't you heard the news?

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29317


    :Glad I'm surrounded by real guys......you know, drop the clothes on the floor, happy to eat a big dinner, work on the cars, earn the living, do the major repairs around the house, and are just generally oblivious to anything else.

    Wow, you mean a chick can appreciate all that? Nice.

  • GentlyFeral
    GentlyFeral

    This is the result of the pussification of America
    ...says the gay fella with the Brokeback Mountain avatar.

    restrangled:

    just generally oblivious

    And that's why the days of the he-man have been numbered ever since the wimminz invented "consciousness raising" in the 1970's. I don't fall into the "you should know how I feel" trap, but cluelessness is SUCH A TURN-OFF.

    JamieBowers:

    Maybe I'm just spoiled, but my husband works a lot of overtime and still makes all of the repairs around the house and on our cars as well as yard work. He also does special projects like remodeling, plumbing, electrical wiring, installing new flooring, etc. We don't ever pay someone to work on our house, cars or yard. I've offered to help out with simple things like putting gas in the van or taking out the trash, and he won't hear of it. He said he would be embarrassed to have people see his wife do those sorts of things.

    But I don't see any reason why these things are INTRINSICALLY "man's work." A woman, just as much as a man, should be able to do ANYTHING that needs to be done. Why can't you help him install that new floor? Why can't he help you with dinner? WHY CAN'T GROWNUPS WORK TOGETHER? That's my ideal, even though in our household we have a more or less traditional division of labor. Part of it is that I haven't caught up with the jaydub years of stupid gender-role conformity; the rest is that my understanding of three-dimensional space is limited.

    Why does this even matter? Well, which class of work has more status in the outside world? Construction? or housework?

    You may feel pampered and taken care of – I know I do – but I also feel limited and sometimes even infantilized when my husband tries to "take these burdens off my hands." I know no one person can do everything, but "A man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?" (Robert Browning)

    gentlyferal

  • burningbridges
    burningbridges

    I can't complain at all, I have a real deal manly man... and i''m not complaining!!! I had the "sensitive man" man before, trust me, I feel much more secure now, and it's funny, i communicate better with the manly man because I repect him more and WANT to talk to him!!!

  • burningbridges
    burningbridges

    I guess I should add, my "manly man" is not rude, arrogant, or jerkish, he's just not a "pretty boy" doesnt cry during movies, and would punch any guy that touched my ass. He respects me, loves his mother, works hard, plays hard, loves kids, and loves to hang out with the boys. He a... MAN, what can i say? Ever heard that Tim McGraw song real good man? that reminds me of him, only he really doesnt like country music much (but he tolerates it becasue i like it :) )

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