Matthew Makes Another Error

by JosephAlward 109 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    Good question, Cyllon. If it's true that Matthew intentionally left out those three names, and it's by no means clear that he did this on purpose, then this is not an error. Instead, it should be called a deliberate deception. Matthew told his readers something he knew was NOT true: there were not fourteen generations between David and Jesus; there were seventeen. He knew the truth and didn't tell it, and he didn't tell it because he wanted to create the impression that Jesus was, indeed, the messiah. How else could one explain the divine pattern of "sevens" that linked David to Jesus? That would have been Matthew's thinking if the omission was deliberate.

    Now, if the omissions were deliberate, then Matthew didn't know what the actual genealogy was, and therefore he wasn't inspired by God--who knows everything--when he wrote the Bible.

    Thus, either way, the Bible is wrong.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • JosephAlward
    JosephAlward

    Pom's recent post about the magic sevens is nonsense and unworthy of comment. If this is all he has to offer, he should be ignored.

    Joseph F. Alward
    "Skeptical Views of Christianity and the Bible"

    * http://members.aol.com/jalw/joseph_alward.html

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Gen 4:24 If Cain is avenged seven times,

    Did you ever wonder what this phrase meant? How was Cain avenged seven times?

    Cain's recorded lineage in the Bible goes like this:

    1. Cain
    2. Enoch
    3. Irad
    4. Mahujael
    5. Mathushael
    6. Lamech
    7. Jabal, Jubal (from Adah), Tubal Cain, Naamah (from Zillah)

    After the seven recorded generations of Cain, Cain's lineage was condemned into oblivion.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    I am impressed, in a way pom, but if the pattern you explain is so important, why didn't god make it happen that way, instead of matthew lying about it. The picture this gives is totally human origins of this book. God wasn't there. Matthew the Mathematically Masturbating Magician.

    SS shaking his head

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    God made the pattern happen. The real question to be asked is WHY were the three deleted?

    If you read your Bible, the reason these three were deleted was a direct result of God's annoiting Jehu to totally destroy the house of Ahab to a fare thee well. Ahab was an evil king on the Israel side who was married to Jezebel. Ahab's "house" crossed over the bounds of the two kingdoms into Judah by way of marriage ties. God's destruction is complete when he commands it.

    Ahabs "house" was ended, four generations (Israel side) and for three generations (Judah side, those missing names in Matthew). (Please note 4+3=7). Here is God's LAW because of the sinful evildoing and Baal worship:

    Ex 20:5
    5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

    God upheld his LAW 100%. It was given and KNOWN by these sinful men. It was broken intentionally by these sinful men. Those guilty were punished.

    Ahab's "house" totally ended. Jehu, who was NOT Ahab's offspring, became king of Israel. And as God punished the evildoers and Baal worshippers for 3 and 4 generations ON BOTH SIDES of the kingdoms respectively, Jehu was rewarded with God saying that four of his generations would rule over Israel for his obediance to YHWH, which indeed happened as recorded:

    2 Kings 10:30-31
    30 The LORD said to Jehu, "Because you have done well in accomplishing what is right in my eyes and have done to the house of Ahab all I had in mind to do, your descendants will sit on the throne of Israel to the fourth generation."

    God has balanced scales. Generations punished ON BOTH SIDES equal to their sin, and Jehu is rewarded with four of the generations that were totally removed from Ahab.

    What is also interesting, is BOTH kingdoms had a similar problem at the same time. Woman rulership. Jezebel on the Israel side and Athaliah (Ahaziah's mother) on the Judah side. Both very evil woman. God hated BOTH sides.

    Now, regarding the "missing names" of Ahaziah, Joash and Amaziah in the book of Matthew, God did exactly what He said He would do upon His deciding it HOW to be done:

    Ex 32:33
    33 The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book."

    So, who REALLY blotted out the names??

    The three names in Judah WERE IN TRUTH blotted out of God's book under YHWH's direction.

    ******************************************************************

    Question: Are you not curious regarding the second half of the evil Lamech's cursed utterance?

    Genesis 4:24 "If Cain is avenged seven times,
    then Lamech seventy-seven times."

    After seven "times," Cain's lineage was cut off.

    What is this Avenger of 77? If the avenger of 7 times has a logical answer, surely the avenger of 77 must have an answer too? Right?

    It does.

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Lamech avenged 77 times.

    There is no lineage of Lamech as it was condemned to extinction by the evil deed of his forefather Cain.

    We have no where else to go, except to the lineage of Seth, the son of Adam and Eve who replaced the murdered Abel, and through whom all God's blessings and avenging would come.

    Scroll down and see the avenger of 77 times:

    1 God
    2 Adam
    3 Seth
    4 Enosh
    5 Kenan
    6 Mahalalel
    7 Jared
    8 Enoch
    9 Methuselah
    10 Lamech
    11 Noah
    12 Shem
    13 Arphaxad
    14 Cainan
    15 Shelah
    16 Eber
    17 Peleg
    18 Reu
    19 Serug
    20 Nahor
    21 Terah
    22 Abraham
    23 Isaac
    24 Jacob
    25 Judah
    26 Perez
    27 Hezron
    28 Ram
    29 Amminadab
    30 Nahshon
    31 Salmon
    32 Boaz
    33 Obed
    34 Jesse
    35 David
    36 Nathan
    37 Mattatha
    38 Menna
    39 Melea
    40 Eliakim
    41 Jonam
    42 Joseph
    43 Judah
    44 Simeon
    45 Levi
    46 Matthat
    47 Jorim
    48 Eliezer
    49 Joshua
    50 Er
    51 Elmadam
    52 Cosam
    53 Addi
    54 Melki
    55 Neri
    56 Shealtiel
    57 Zerubbabel
    58 Rhesa
    59 Joanan
    60 Joda
    61 Josech
    62 Semein
    63 Mattathias
    64 Maath
    65 Naggai
    66 Esli
    67 Nahum
    68 Amos
    69 Mattathias
    70 Joseph
    71 Jannai
    72 Melki
    73 Levi
    74 Matthat
    75 Heli
    76 Joseph
    77 JESUS CHRIST
    (Luke 3:23-38)

    Good nite.

  • siegswife
    siegswife

    Interesting...

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Pom,

    Of course there's a pattern if you manipulate the data. That's the whole point - unless I've missed it too

    --
    Those who can induce you to believe absurdities can induce you to commit attrocities - Voltaire

  • pomegranate
    pomegranate

    Here ya go, chew on this manipulated data:

    Remember the two guys named Lamech? Two guys with the SAME NAME and both with an attached 777 to their stories?

    Well, to make undeniably EMPHATIC the truth that Jesus is the avenger of 77, as prophesied in the Bible, that truth is made known TWICE in that same lineage in Luke's account. Can't you see it?

    Please examine the pattern of names just prior to Mr. 77. AGAIN, two guys with the SAME NAME, seperated by 7 generations, done twice. CONSECUTIVELY.

    -----63..(1) Mattathias
    -----64..(2) Maath
    -----65..(3) Naggai
    (7)--66..(4) Esli
    -----67..(5) Nahum
    -----68..(6) Amos
    -----69..(7) Mattathias

    -----70..(1) Joseph
    -----71..(2) Jannai
    -----72..(3) Melki
    (7)--73..(4) Levi
    -----74..(5) Matthat
    -----75..(6) Heli
    -----76..(7) Joseph

    77 JESUS CHRIST

    There is a 77 prior to the 77.

    Another MAIN point of this? God is two, not one, not three. TWO. Two beings with the SAME NAME (YHWH), just like the two Lamechs in the beginning, just the like two Mattathias's and Joseph's above. TWO with the SAME NAME, but different beings. It bolsters the truth, YHWH is TWO.

    1.YHWH Father (The Most Holy)
    2.
    3.
    4.(Two is Holy, YHWH is two)
    5.
    6.
    7.YHWH Son (The Holy)

    Two rooms in the tabernacle.
    Two rooms in the temple.

    Two rooms same tabernacle
    Two rooms same temple
    Two beings same name

  • Moxy
    Moxy

    hoo boy.

    was away for awhile and just wandered back into this thread to see where it was going... i just hope pom's bizarre mysticism doesnt discourage joe from continuing to post interesting stuff now and again.

    mox

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