WORSE THAN TSA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by Warlock 49 Replies latest jw friends

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    10yrsafter:

    You say you work in a law office...do they specialize in civil suits against law enforcement?

    I am the first to stand up and say that there are cops out there that make bad decisions or even criminal ones, but they are no different than any other "business"...the majority are good, solid employees, sprinkled with a few bad apples. That would certainly apply to the legal field as well. I just wonder why you are so passionate about painting law enforcement with the broad brush of abuse of power? Did you personally have a bad experience?

    I haven't painted police with a broad brush. I was remarking about JD's post. It is inexcusable what happened to the victim, her husband, and the attorney that defended them. Are you saying that what happened is okay? Do you also think it's no big deal what happened to the minister?

    As far as our firm representing civilians who have had their rights trampled on, no, at this time I work for a bankruptcy attorney.

    As far as law goes, back in the early 90's when I first considered a career change, I was fortunate enough to go through 2 months of police academy and did quite well at it until I decided it wasn't my cup of tea after a discussion I had with a sargent at the firing range. But while I was in academy, there were quite a few young men who were quite enamored with the power and guns. Granted, the academy did its best to weed them out....

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    Cameo-d:

    First of all, I don't harp on "police state shit". That is an outright lie.

    My posts on this board are probably 95% religious-biblical-JW related.

    You are saying that you have never warned the members of this board about the illuminati/jewish/police state threat? YOU are the liar here.

    Ever since I gave a piece of my mind about Jewish chicken sacrifice, you have followed me like a puppy all over this board for months making argumentative remarks and ad hominem attacks on me.

    My, you are paranoid, aren't cha?

    Are you saying that you have never posted about the illuminati/masonic/jewish/police state conspiracy? If so, then you are a liar.

    You started posting roughly 9 months ago and have provided this board with approximately 340 topics. Many of them are antisemitic. If you think I am going to sit back and allow you to make stupid, hateful, dishonest attacks on a group of people I belong to, think again. If you do not want me to attack your nonsense, don't post it. I think I have shown much restraint from reporting you to the administrators of this board for your antisemitism.

    Of your roughly 340 topics, I have responded to only a handfull because I think you are a nut bar and usually avoid people like you. But when you obviously seed this board with your hatred and intolerance, I will bust your chops.

    Rather than confront the idiocies of "your religion" you choose to focus your attention on me for pointing out those absurd rituals.

    Any religion that requires bloody slaughter of humans or animals to satisfy some invisible sky daddy is abhorrent. (Yes, humans,too....don't forget poor Issac almost ended up on the chopping block per Yvhy's requirement.) And here's a modern day "child sacrifice" http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/163730/1/Crazy-Religion

    Any religion that practices asking an oracle (Urim and Thurimin) for answers is just plain superstition. You might as well just get an 8 ball.

    Have you ever bothered to research Judaism instead of relying on information from your other nut bar buddies? No you haven't. So, until you do, you are just running your mouth, spewing hate. And now you are trying to take the high road.

    Robdar, it should be apparent to others as well, that for the past 7 months, thread after thread, you will come along almost directly after I post. And rather than comment on the subject at hand, your comments on the thread are directed to ME. And they are always antagonistic or personal attacks.

    You are again lying. And you are paranoid. Out of the 30 topics you have started over the past 2 weeks, I have responded to about 6 of them. Please start taking your meds again. I am not always antagonistic or attacking you. Please spare us your hyperbole.

    I think you are directing your anger at me because you are afraid to confront issues in "your religion". You resent me for pointing these things out and making your religion look like the absurdity it is. You are afraid to acknowledge it because you might have to admit you have been duped again, just like the false path to god that the WT offered.

    No, I am not directing my anger at you. I don't have much anger towards anybody. But I do feel deep sorrow for you-- as I would for anybody who is mentally unstable and refuses to take their meds.

    I'm not the only one on this discussion board who has indicated there is something wrong with you. Nor, am I the only one who has called your BS on to the carpet.

    I do not resent you. I resent the fact that you are using this forum as a podium for your hatred, and day after day you get by with it.

    Now, back to issues of this thread. You asked:

    "now you dismiss the guy's story because he's a minister? So, in this case you like the police state? It's okey dokey with you just as long as they are tasering people who are ministers, or people you don't like? You are quite a piece of work. Hypocrite too. "

    I have a feeling that much of this "police brutality" is being staged. The incidents you have posted since you made the above statement are evils that have been politically contrived by those who are higher up.

    This beast system we are under is built upon many professional and "secret" societies. People owe favors; people receive bribes or get blackmailed. That's the way it goes. Maybe some of these atrocious injustices originally stem from some personal vendetta and the victim is 'punished' by downline or upline obligation of a 'favor'. That way the 'punishment' is indirect and the victim never really knows why the injustice happened to them. They never even realize it was because someone had it in for them.

    There is much more going on here than meets the eye.

    The masses react to what they see on the surface. And this is how they are manipulated. Media is p*wned and they write the slant the way they are instructed.

    Once the masses can be wound up into a fury to protest, rally, riot....then watch what happens.

    Then you will have special forces, a privatized army to replace local law enforcement, and maybe even martial law if it gets out of hand.

    As far as I am concerned, this 'preacher' should have been taking care of the duties he is being paid to do by his congregation. He is cheating them by collecting wages from his parishoners and not serving them. Instead, if he is engaged in political activist work, then he has jeopardized the standing of his church by defying the separation of church and state.

    Perhaps he is part of a well orchestrated plan to help bring about the fall of Babylon Baptist. Surely he knew that being a political activist was a "conflict of interests".

    I don't think any of this well rehearsed story actually had anything to do with police brutality or demanding his rights.

    I think there is a grave political issue at stake and also I think it is one of many stories designed and manipulated to incite the anger of the general public.

    Thank you for entertaining us with your latest paranoid ramblings.

    And btw, as long as you post on a public forum, you will get responses you do not like. Grow up and get over yourself.

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    Maybe it's because the 90-95% of the so called "good guys" sign off on the reports submitted by the bad guys.

    Now don't tell me that doesn't happen, because it happened to me.

    What about that, ten? You good guys sign off and cover for the bad guys.

    I know you do.

    Deny it, justify it, but you CANNOT bullshit me.

    Warlock...I assume that you have factual data to back those assertions up? I would never say that there isn't a "thin blue line" mentality with some cops, but I have never personally never seen a cop lie on a report to get a conviction or cover up for another cop. Most cops aren't going to risk their jobs by cleaning up someone else's messes. Does it happen?...I'm sure it does, but certainly not anywhere near the level you suggest. I'm sorry that you were a victim of a bad cop, but that doesn't mean that it is common practice.

    Are you saying that what happened is okay? Do you also think it's no big deal what happened to the minister?

    Robdar...if you look at my posts, I am not justifying any actions that are unlawful. If the pastor's story is factual and as he states in the video, then the actions of the officers should be investigated and appropriate discipline taken...including criminal prosecution if it involved excessive force.

    What I was questioning was the story itself. The Arizona DPS are a very well trained agency, and I find it unusual that several would go "rogue" over a simple refusal to exit the vehicle. It just doesn't sound right. I hope that the truth is found in this situation, and if the officers did torture the pastor that they are prosecuted. If it turns out that this was not as presented by the pastor and that he actively resisted or worse, then I hope the people on the board so willing to believe that the cops are bad will post equally as passionately about the officers being unjustly accused.

    I'm glad you had the experience of attending a police academy...I am sure it gives you an appreciation for the many moving parts in law enforcement. The one thing that academies can't recreate for trainees is how quickly things can happen in real life situations. When a situation goes bad, cops have to be able to make a decision in a split second that the rest of the population has the luxury to sit back and analyze in great detail after the fact. Fortunately, the majority of those decisions work out without innocent people suffering.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    ten,

    Tell me that 100% of law enforcement officers are good.

    If you cannot, then tell me what percentage are bad.

    Then tell me none of the good ones know who the bad ones are.

    Finally, tell me that none of the good ever cover for the bad.

    I have a police report that two officers signed off on, AND THEY LIED ON THE REPORT, BUT SINCE THEY ARE THE ONES WITH THE BADGES, IT'S MY WORD AGAINST THEIRS.

    Just so you know, I got a good attorney and the charges were dismissed. This was a few years ago, but the point is they lied and signed off on the report.

    Now, on this TSA recording, I would like to see the report WITHOUT knowledge of the recording and see what it says.

    Warlock

  • beksbks
    beksbks

    I dunno exactly what you guys are discussing per cops? But I know darn good and well there are good cops and bad cops, just like teachers, doctors and every other human out there. That probably applies to TSA and DPwhateveritis agents too.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    beks,

    It started with TSA and DPS, but ended up with cops.

    You know how it goes.

    Warlock

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    I thought DPS were cops...if I side-tracked the thread, then I apologize. It seems like we are disagreeing on something we all agree on...that there are bad apples in every profession.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    OK...Here's the scoop.....the guy you just watched on the "cops beat me up film" is an actor.

    Here he is showing how easy it is to convert a JW:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhJ7b47hXvA&feature=channel

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    This guy has an agenda.

    Again, I question if he is on the take and being paid to stage these things.

    I do believe there is some reason people are being swayed to become antagonistic toward authorities. This is a deliberate political manuever.

    The following film begs these questions:

    This man was certainly prepared for his end of a confrontation! I suspect he deliberately displayed odd behavior in order to draw attention from the police so he could antagonize and film something.

    He was well rehearsed....this was not just an accidental random encounter.

    These are propaganda films, people. Learn to recognize them for what they are!

    Don't buy into this "I know my rights" political agenda by trying to harass officials just doing their jobs.

    I think many many of these instances, especially if they are filmed, are being used to incite public anger.

    Is this really the kind of behavior you should expect from someone who claims to be following and promoting the example of Jesus?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6reRAQLGRqI&feature=channel

  • tenyearsafter
    tenyearsafter

    I would agree that if there was no other reason to continue the investigation, then the officer should have been done with it. If there was a reasonable suspicion that the vehicle may have been involved in some criminal activity that she needed to investigate in more depth, then she had every right to investigate further. I have no idea why she was asking what he did for a living...I wasn't there. The thing I find interesting is that this person was so well prepared for this confrontation...the average person would not behave this way, so I am a bit suspect about the spontaneity of this video. Oh well, every cop can expect to have a video camera or camera phone used to try and document their offenses...just a fact of life.

    I am not sure what to make about the original video that started the thread...if it happened as the pastor claims, it is a disgusting abuse of power. I am just reminded of the fact that "not everything is what it appears to be", so neither I or anyone else can really say what the real facts are in either video...we weren't there.

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