My Weak Agnostic Testimony

by besty 67 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  besty

  @ mouthy - well you certainly have been through the mill and deserve a lot of credit and respect for making it thus far. Also for sharing your thoughts on a public discussion forum - hats off to you.

  Believing the good die young is irrational and certainly not a Christian belief. Are there no good old people? Are there bad babies that survive? Sorry - it may be comforting to you having lost children but it doesn't make any sort of logical sense.

  Asking me whether I would pray if I was holding my child with the nearness of his death imminent is putting me on the horns of a dilemma. If I say no I wouldn't pray, I may come across as a heartless, arrogant, immature atheist who hasn't had the shattering life experiences you have. If I say yes I would pray, it makes a mockery of my current atheistic position. Firstly my faith and hope would be in the skills of the medical community. Secondly I would recognise that infant mortality rates are much lower than say 60 years ago - and we have science, not religion, to thank for that. I strongly disbelieve in a magick man in the sky picking and choosing which babies live or die. Which brings us back around to what you were thanking God for when you survived the bombing? And what did the other 42,000,000 civilians who died do wrong? I guess every last one of them was young and good......:-)
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  besty

  @ yadda yadda 2 - I love how some people's username is kind of ironically self-fulfilling - readgoodbooks always springs to mind for some reason...

  Atheism is ridiculous. Atheists are simply confusing the absence/remoteness of 'God' with non-existence of God. They are like a 5 year old child that stamps its feet and refuses to believe they have a father because that father left them at birth and has never returned.

  All that evolutionists do is replace the word "God" with "chance". If you believe that this planet and all life on it resulted from blind chance you have even more faith than any religious person.

  I'm so in love with an absent God who takes a personal interest in my sex life and also whether my children live or die and yet refuses to to give any evidence of his existence. Fantastic concept - but not for me, thanks kindly for the offer though.

  I don't know any evolutionists who replace God with blind chance - the only people I know who do that are uneducated Creationists. Stop embarrassing yourself please....this is the usual yadda yadda yadda :-)
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  mouthy

  I guess every last one of them was young and good......:-)

  Guess so!!!! But if the time ever comes that your in a terrible
  experience ..... maybe it is good to remember
  "No Atheist's in the foxholes"
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  besty

  @ Mouthy:

  For helping me at 9 months pregnant
  climb over a six foot fence so I could
  open the gate that was blocked from tiles
  off the roof to let an old 80 year old woman out .
  I guess I realized it had to be anothers strength
  that helped me do it .
  Is that a good enough answer.?

  But answer MY question would you pray
  if your kids were dying?

  Yes that is a perfectly acceptable answer. Rationally I would call what you experienced an adrenaline rush. This enables unbelievers to perform even more heroic tasks under the 'fight or flight' response.

  I've answered your 'dying child dilemma' on my previous post.

  So you really believe God handpicked you for survival in WW2 (42,000,000 others didn't get picked) and at the same time are comforted by the belief that the good die young?
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  besty

  No Atheist's in the foxholes

  Not many atheists in prisons either - mainly true believers :-) think about it....
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  besty

  @ mindmelda - I'm not asking you to prove or defend anything - I will point out that you are contributing to a discussion forum :-)

  For me belief comes down to probability driven by evidence. Outrageous claims require outrageous evidence. Lack of evidence reduces probability.

  Therefore I'm 99.999% per cent sure God probably doesn't exist.
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  mouthy

  So you really believe God handpicked you for survival in WW2 (42,000,000 others didn't get picked) and at the same time are comforted by the belief that the good die young?

  NO I DON THINK I was handpicked....LOL
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  donny

  Outrageous claims require outrageous evidence. Lack of evidence reduces probability.

  I agree with this statement. I admit that I would love to believe there was a benovolent God who real cared about his creations and would give eternal life to those who did good and believed, but my wanting that and what is reality are 2 different things.

  Other than "there had to be a creator because otherwise how did it get here?" argument, I have not seen any credible evidence of a creator who actively communicates with his creation.

  I have heard numerous "God/Jesus/Allah" spoke to me statements and they are as varied and contradictory as anything man would say and do.

  Donny
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  besty

  @ mouthy - so you see the problem I have with God helping you (to help yourself via adrenaline) and neglecting the 42,000,000 other civilians? What would they say about God if they could be here to tell us?

  @ donny - the creator always has to be more complex than his creation - yes? so this argument, which is not evidence per se, increases the order of magnitude of the problem - at which point religionists make some special pleading and stop asking questions. Scientists are at least grappling the issues with an accelerating degree of success and a healthy admission that they don't know everything.
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  allelsefails