Raymond Franz and UN

by kpax 150 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • jst2laws
    jst2laws

    anewperson
    >>"Wow, Farkel, I didn't know that! That being the case why doesn't he put out a small booklet that blasts the Watchtower yet again to pieces. It would sell big time, help him and his wife out, liberate lots of JWs, and in general make people happy (except the WTS)?"

    Because he is 80+ years old and cannot keep up with making a living and responding to correspondence as it is. He is also working on a french translation and possible revision of C of C. He has been doing this for over 20 years and started when most men his age were retiring.

    However, I agree with you. Something by him concise and pointed might be good. But nothing he does will reach anyone except those already looking.

    Farkel,
    You always make me laugh. Thanks

    Jst2laws

  • anewperson
    anewperson

    FARKEL, If it's concise enough then after it's sold out in paper form he can let some of us put it on the internet where millions will see. As to corresponding being a burden at age 80, he can tell readers that he will not be able to reply to all persons due to age and health. I'm surprised he didn't and doesn't just give the French translation work over to someone else. Anyway, thanks & tell him hi from the Free Christians, and "We love him!"

  • IslandWoman
    IslandWoman

    Hi,

    I have a suggestion for all those who think that Ray Franz should do more than he already has........

    Write your own damn book!

    What? You don't know as much as RF?

    You're damn right!

    IW

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : That being the case why doesn't he put out a small booklet that blasts the Watchtower yet again to pieces.

    You're starting to sound like MadApostate now!

    Seriously, Ray is not well, and since he hasn't done that, I would guess either he doesn't have the energy, doesn't want to or just wants to live his few remaining years without any more hassles.

    He (and everyone else for that matter) cannot live their lives trying to meet up to the expectations and wishes of others. That's something that all dubs and do and he's no longer a dub!

    Farkel

    "I didn't mean what I meant."

  • Billygoat
    Billygoat

    MadApostate,

    I guess what I don't understand is that you seem to believe that Ray Franz is hiding additional information about the WTS. What facts do you have that support this? Is it gut feeling?

    Let's say he is hiding additional information. What now? This organization is not going to come tumbling down by one man's testimony (which was already pretty thorough in both of his books!). Is that what you're hoping for? I guess I just don't understand that you feel some of the posters are RF groupies because we want him to just enjoy the remainder of his life. Do you think he doesn't think about all the people he brought into this world of lies? Do you think that doesn't weigh heavily on his heart?

    As JW's we were taught not to respect other people's lives (intruding on their Saturday mornings uninvited) and other people's decisions (condemning them for taking blood) and other people's emotions (finger-pointing and screaming "unfaithful and unspiritual" when a person grieves for a loved one in death). I think most of us realize this as we leave the borg. We realize for years we were disrespected, thus we disrespected others. But it doesn't have to be like that anymore. We are no longer rank and file!! We can "live and let live" and it's okay.

    MadApostate, truly I understand your pain. I can imagine that I've experienced many of the emotions you are currently experiencing. I've been angry, pissed, bitter, rageful, and downright despaired. My family is still caught in the web of lives the WTS spins for the R & F. I mourn for them on a daily basis. I mourn for the lost years I spent there myself...especially my childhood. But I've realized that I, only I, can move beyond the loss and pain into healing. Nobody can do that for me. I will do whatever I can to help others in their journey - even if I disagree with their decisions/beliefs. I will truly do my best. But my best is my best. Nobody, even God, can ask for more than that.

    I urge you to be gentler on yourself and allow yourself to heal. That will allow you to be healing to others. Please remember what someone else has mentioned earlier...

    We are all victims of this terrible tragedy. We feel your pain. But we are here to support and journey and share together.

    Andi

  • teejay
    teejay

    Very, very good, Andi. Thank you for the gift of your words this morning. Very nice. Your words would stand on their own, without even coming at the end of this discussion.

    Again, thank you.

  • Richie
    Richie

    As was already mentioned, Ray left the Borg in 1980. The WT got involved with the UN in 1991 and perhaps there may have been some discussion before 1991 as to why this involvement would be to the Borg's "benefit". So in view of this, we can hardly expect Ray to elaborate to us about the inner workings of the GB relative to the UN-fiasco, since he already left the organization for the better part of 10 years.
    Yes, Ray has done a lot for all of us, as without his input we may not be much wiser and have in-depth information about the goings on behind closed doors at the WT. Additionally, Ray's style of writing is very concise and to the point without showing the bravado or sensationalism where most other writers would have otherwise indulged in partly if not primarily for the sake of material benefit. Yet Ray showed extreme modesty and candor in both of his books without any vindictiveness and sensationalism at all. He is to be applauded for all his work, as my life would not have turned out for the better if he did not bring this informative revelation to the fore. Surely he must have been blessed by God in doing so....

    Richie :*)

  • Julie
    Julie

    MadA,

    You obviously thrive on speaking on matters you don't know anything about. I have never read Franz books, never been a JW and almost never agree with Teejay.

    Here I have based my opinions (that teejay is right un what he says here and you are an asshole) on mere reasoning. You know, logic? No bias or emotion involved. Moron.

    Teejay,

    "Cuts deep" LOL good one. Don't know why but for some reason I kinda like ya. ;-) Good political thoughts elsewhere BTW.

    Take care all,
    Julie

  • biblexaminer
    biblexaminer

    All this talk about what Ray knows, or doesn't...

    Ray is just a guy, like you and me, (sorry girls) and he needs to eat breath and sleep. A little enjoyment thrown in would be good.

    Ray has written lots, as some have correctly pointed out. He is interested in getting what he's written into as many hands as possible.

    He was not involved in any "UN thing", so what's to write? Any one of us can write UNUNUNUNUNUN. Who's listening?

    For Ray to "write something" wouldn't matter any more than if you or I wrote something. He's written lots about what he HAD something to do with and needs time for other things now.

    But, if some of you folks need for Ray to write something, then in my next letter to Ray, (and he always responds even though I told him there was no need) I will tell him to write a sentence or two about the UN thing. I might even write it for him and he can just copy it when he writes back. Then I will post it.

    Sarcastic? Yes, but for those who insist that his writing of something will make the difference, that's only fitting.

    Ray does not have 50 Reuters reporters on his doorstep just panting at the thought that he will emerge from his lair to impress the world with his wisdom!

    Ray is, as I said earlier on, a guy... like the rest of us. And to my knowledge, the only thing he held back when he wrote CofC, was information about Chitty and Greenlees. And in ISOCF he mentioned their disgusting habits. So what's left?

    Hey, we all want the tower to crumble. But ray ain't gonna bring it down. He chipped at the rock and it's cracking. He's led the way. Now it's up to the rest of us.

    So, for the "Ray's gotta say something" crowd, GET OVER IT!

  • avengers
    avengers
    So, MadAsshole, where are your 'arguments' now?
    The foaming has begun

    Arguments? We don't want to argue. Just take down the Watchtower!
    If anyone witholds any info which can take down the Watchtower they are just as guilty!.

    We have a war against terrorists, and against those who harbor them.

    If anyone witholds any info, then they are seeing to it that the WT can continue their mental terrorism and should be treated accordingly.

    Hello brothers and sisters, where are you now?
    (Simple Minds)

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