by BurnTheShips 79 Replies latest members politics
Just like evil 'scientist' are constantly refusing to allow the true scientist at the creation museum to get the truth out... Man and dinosaurs lived together!
I would say anyone who buys into this study should stop and consider the real possibility that they are a fucking moron.
I would say anyone who buys into this study should stop and consider the real possibility that they are a fucking moron.
Well, I have already come see the certainty that you are.
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Polling Data on How the Public Feels about $$$ and Global Warming
This story has been out awhile but is getting some new life because of the passage of Cap and Tax as well as a couple of Republican legislators taking an interest in the case.
A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming.The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined.
"He came out with the truth. They don't want the truth at the EPA," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., a global warming skeptic, told FOX News, saying he's ordered an investigation. "We're going to expose it."
...According to internal e-mails that have been made public by the Competitive Enterprise Institute, Carlin's boss told him in March that his material would not be incorporated into a broader EPA finding and ordered Carlin to stop working on the climate change issue. The draft EPA finding released in April lists six greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide, that the EPA says threaten public health and welfare.
An EPA official told FOXNews.com on Monday that Carlin, who is an economist -- not a scientist -- included "no original research" in his report. The official said that Carlin "has not been muzzled in the agency at all," but stressed that his report was entirely "unsolicited."
...Citing the internal e-mails, the Republican congressmen wrote that the EPA was exhibiting an "agency culture set in a predetermined course."
"It documents at least one instance in which the public was denied access to significant scientific literature and raises substantial questions about what additional evidence may have been suppressed," they wrote.
In a written statement, Issa said the administration is "actively seeking to withhold new data in order to justify a political conclusion."
First, allow me to head off our lefty friends...yeah Carlin is an economist not a climate scientist. What he did was a study of the work by experts in the field. You know who else isn't a climate scientist but uses other people's work...Al Gore (B.A., Government, Harvard University and two time drop out from divinity programs).
So moving on...one reason this is so important is the threat hanging over Congress that if they don't pass some sort of carbon program, the EPA will do it without any legislative input and simply destroy the economy via regulatory fiat. Obviously debunking the myth of Anthropomorphic Global Warming would be, um, inconvenient to say the least.
Would they have passed the Cap and Tax if this report and simlar info. had not been suppressed?
By suppressing it isn't the EPA giving Democray the finger?
By thus preassuring to by pass Congress isn't the Democratic Process being overturned?
Isn't it time for another tea party?
It might be of interest that without 8 republicans who crossed lines to vote for the house bill, it would not have passed.
One republican who voted for it expressed his concern that while the bill was junk, they were concerned that without some kind of bill, the EPA would make even more orwellian rules simply by edict.
It should be clearly remembered that cap & trade is quite simply a massive energy tax. It is (or would be) the largest single tax law ever passed at one time by any government in history.
The reality is that it will NOT change global CO2 levels in the slightest. It is obvious that even if the US could reduce its CO2 by as much as 25%, it will more than be overridden by such nations as India and China...not to mention the effect of deforestation which continues over much of the globe.
A new uproar in the blogosphere has broken out over the supposed “suppression” by the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) of an internal review of the EPA’s proposed endangerment finding on greenhouse gases. The review purported to show that the latest “research” calls into question the scientific consensus on climate change. It turns out that the report, written by Alan Carlin, with assistance from John Davidson, of the EPA’s National Center for Environmental Economics, is drawn heavily from the contrarian blogosphere, especially Ken Gregory of the Calgary-based “astroturf” group Friends of Science.
And in one case, a lengthy “analysis” of a recent peer-reviewed paper has been lifted, without attribution, straight out of World Climate Report, the climate “news” blog run by uber-contrarian Pat Michaels.
[Update, June 29: In the immediately subsequent post, I've now established that the Carlin report's central premise, along with four key sections, came directly from a November, 2008 World Climate Report blog attack on the EPA proposed endangerment finding on greenhouse gas emissions.]
The saga began with the release by the “skeptic” think tank Competitive Enterprise Institute of email exchanges between Carlin and his boss, Alan McGartland (who appears to have been wearily determined to get Carlin back working at his real job). This was followed by the release of an 90-page early draft of the report, entitled “Proposed NCEE Comments on Draft Technical
http://deepclimate.org/2009/06/28/epas-alan-carlin-channels-pat-michaels-and-the-friends-of-science/
So the EPA has the right to just bypass the Congress and enact regulations on Global Warming if Congress doesn't lay down like a rubber stamp for the GW interests like they usually do anyway?
So the EPA has the right to just bypass the Congress and enact regulations on Global Warming if Congress doesn't lay down like a rubber stamp for the GW interests like they usually do anyway?
Yes, because the president just got Carbon Dioxide declared a "harmful substance". This is similar to making cigarettes an "addictive drug" which gives the FDA much greater powers over tobacco than the ATF had before.
Many things in this administration are simply being done by presidential edict rather than being passed by congress...as per all the so-called "CZARS" for automakers, banks, etc.
Apparantly, with the cap & trade, congress wants in on the act because of the almost limitless amount of taxes that can be imposed.
Many things in this administration are simply being done by presidential edict rather than being passed by congress...as per all the so-called "CZARS" for automakers, banks, etc.
This Administration has more CZARS now than the Romanov dynasty, and unlike Cabinet members, they do not recieve congressional oversight or approval. They could be tax cheats, or any number of things. We don't even know how much they get paid. Look at that "car czar," Rattner. He has some very definite conflicts of interest when it comes to deciding which auto dealerships to close. The Lord of the Lies promised transparency. Yet the executive branch is slowly growing into an emperorship.
Apparantly, with the cap & trade, congress wants in on the act because of the almost limitless amount of taxes that can be imposed.
And tremendous power to decide who gets what. They get to dole out. Someone once said they'd eventually figure out how to tax the air we breathe......
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