Regarding Quoting Scriptures All the Time

by AllTimeJeff 72 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Jeff, your problem is that the scriptures being quoted are all really boring! Try these for a laugh:

    2 Chr. 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD. Lesson- Eight year olds can be evil too!

    2 Chr. 16:12 And Asa in the thirty and ninth year of his reign was diseased in his feet, until his disease was exceeding great: yet in his disease he sought not to the LORD, but to the physicians. Lesson- Don't go to the doctor!

    Psalms 78:66 And he smote his enemies in the hinder parts : he put them to a perpetual reproach. Lesson- God kicks ass! Or makes hemorrhoids! (lol! Reminds me of Dr. Evil!)

    Proverbs 12:21 There shall no evil happen to the just: but the wicked shall be filled with mischief. Lesson- If you suffer misfortune, it's your own damn fault!

    Song of Solomon 8:8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts : what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? Lesson? Um, not so sure...

    Dave

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Totally agree with you AllTimeJeff but I just can't help myself and bring up this scripture and apply it to all the prooftexters:

    "When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me." (1 Corinthians 13:11)

    Some people just don't grow up.

    Villabolo

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    "Song of Solomon 8:8 We have a little sister, and she hath no breasts : what shall we do for our sister in the day when she shall be spoken for? Lesson? Um, not so sure..."

    I know the lesson is: Let's take pity on the flatchested chick because big tits are better for catching a husband. It's always about the man's needs.

    Josie

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    When I see someone answering with scriptures I just pass right over it.

    If they can't answer like a human being it is of no interest to me.

    If someone uses a very short scripture to make a point or as a documentation...and they don't make a habit of it, I will probably read it.

  • PrimateDave
    PrimateDave

    Lol! Josie, I think you may have a point there!

    Dave

  • Billy the Ex-Bethelite
    Billy the Ex-Bethelite

    Lol! Josie, I think you may have a point there!

    Josie, I think that would be two points

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    ATJ..The WBT$ could care less what the Bible has to say..

    The WBT$ uses the Bible,to back up anything the WBT$ prints.....As we have often seen..The WBT$ will take scripture out of context.....And..Mold it to back up a WBT$ teaching..

    Then years down the road reverse a decission about a teaching..Then back up the reversed decission,with the Bible..

    The Bible did`nt change..The WBT$ use for the Bible did...

    ...........................................OUTLAW

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    Chalam,

    I understand point 1. The bible is not totally spelled out, I agree. Also, it appears contradictory but it isn't! The contradiction disappears with the Spirit's teaching.

    Unproveable. Contradictions don't disappear because someone gives personal revelation. It says to me that, even if you are right (and you are not) that god plays a very cruel cat and mouse game with how we get to know him, and who he actually allows to know him, given this contrived formula you postualte.

    Point 2. I believe that God's Spirit is poured out on all flesh as Joel, Acts 2 says. In practice, He speaks to all of us. If we listen and have faith is Jesus we are born again. Then He comes to live inside of us.

    Unproveable, and disputed as to how this works by the various Christian religions. Your view is no more or no less to be considered "gospel" then their's.

    Being born again? Another widely interpreted concept. And therin lies the problem. Always interpretation is needed. There is no good reason for "god" to do it this way. Your interpretation Chalam, no matter how sincere, is just that, just another interpretation.

    To be honest this is WT teaching that only "resoning the scriptures" is necessary with our minds. They want to keep us from the Holy Spirit who is the only one who can bring revelation to our spirit.

    Interesting take on the WTBTS. I think they don't give a shit about anything but themselves. Holy spirit is a bait and switch tactic. Trust me, they have seen too much of their own BS blow up in their face to believe in it that much.....

    You need the Holy Spirit to understand spiritual things. The bible is a spiritual book first and foremost, not a history book, a book of rules or good ideas etc but a book about God who is Spirit.

    No, the simple direct answer is the correct one. The "answer" to the contradictions and ambiguity being holy spirit providing revelation is a convenient cop out. The bible is as it appears to be: 66 seperate works strung together in an odd coincidence of antiquity. 2000 years after its completion, and 1600 years after being made into its final form, we are still stuck in this society with the erroneous idea that it has value, merit, when history teaches that it merits nothing more then scorn.

    The bible is a mish mash of superstition. Your argument about holy spirit misses the point. You acknowledge, even tacitly, that it can't be taken at face value. Even though we were created by god to accept things at face value. Which leads to this interesting analogy....

    No, questions are good to a point but you need to put them aside sometimes and suspend your disbelief, at least for a while. I am sure you can relate to that as I remember that being necessary on several occasions when learning sciences and stuff at school.

    No, questions at school were told that they would be answered in time, not put off until some power inhabited our minds. One fact leads to another.

    The bible does not suffer from this burden, relating to facts as to its claims. They are nothing more then claims of a superstitious, supernatural nature. There are no "facts" involved. Holy Spirit is something to hide behind when you run out of falsly premised explanations.

    The letter spoke of here is the Law, the OT dos and dont's. We are call to live by the Spirit in the new covenant through Jesus. The law brings death, no-one is saved through it, is just points out what sin is. The rebirth of the Spirit brings life.

    Huh? Thats really bad news for the millions of Israelites who (supposedly) lived out a milleniums old drama for the benefit of us today? Bull! If that is true, how in the hell would I be drawn to god? It simply isn't necesarry for god to teach in this manner.

    However, men, perpetuating a myth, do need the cover of milleniums to adapt their superstition to a new generation who wants to rely on others instead of their own mind.

    12 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

    So why quote it in the first place?

    Hopefully you are getting a hint of the answer that question now?

    No, the bible doesn't do that. Their is no holy spirit that does this. And your hiding behind scriptures, with all respect, continues to raise more questions. Or to be more blunt, it absolutely proves that the bible is anything but the inspired word of a supernatural god.

  • Deputy Dog
    Deputy Dog

    ATJ

    What I find most interesting is when people who don't believe scripture, quote it, to make fun of it, yet have very little understanding of what they're quoting.

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    ATJ

    What I find most interesting is when people who don't believe scripture, quote it, to make fun of it, yet have very little understanding of what they're quoting.

    Deputy Dog, what I find interesting is that you and others would mock me for my reading the bible over TWENTY (20) TIMES and then have the balls to say that I have little understanding of what I am quoting.

    Good luck on that one.

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