Would a definite article prove that Jesus is God? (page 4)

Satanus

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How do they define that life force?

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They refer to it as the 'life force' being transferred.

That term "life force" means nothing. If you press them on this, they must say nothing came down from heaven, or they have to admit he has a dual nature.

Witness theology is not that developed on the metaphysics or philosophical aspects of things like the nature and essence of the kenosis or divine beings. So in the instance of Jesus as the Word becoming human they simply leave it as life force without going into a theological dissection like the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox and the two natures one nature controversies.

Their position is that the kenosis produced a wholly human and not a god/man human.

Satanus

Yes, they havn't thought this whole thing through. Just a human, then. Perhaps, the same 'life force' that animates any other human, or animal, or tree?

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Their position is similar to the Bible Students in that they hold to a Perfect Human for Perfect Human equation- Adam/Second Adam.

So in their kenosis theory the Word had to proceed to the point of being the equivalent of Adam.

Deputy Dog

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Witness theology is not that developed on the metaphysics or philosophical aspects of things like the nature and essence of the kenosis or divine beings.

That's right. Their theology does not allow for a prehuman existence. The word or phrase "life force" means literaly nothing.

BurnTheShips

Jehovah's Witness theology suffered from oxygen deprivation at birth. It is horribly constrained and one-dimensional.

BTS

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DD

Actually it does. It does no good to argue past somone's point of view by denying it. Witnesses did that in their Trinity Brochure by trying to describe that Belief as polytheism and modalism, both of which are wrong depictions. We shouldn't make the same mistake.

BurnTheShips

Their position is that the kenosis produced a wholly human and not a god/man human.

To my knowledge, the Orthodox position is that Jesus was fully God and fully man.

Council of Chalcedon, 451 AD, accepted by the various Orthodox, Catholic, and Protestan churches:

We, then, following the holy Fathers, all with one consent, teach people to confess one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, the same perfect in Godhead and also perfect in manhood;

truly God and truly man, of a reasonable [rational] soul and body;

consubstantial [co-essential] with the Father according to the Godhead, and consubstantial with us according to the Manhood;

in all things like unto us, without sin;

begotten before all ages of the Father according to the Godhead, and in these latter days, for us and for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood;

one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably;

the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the union, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ;

as the prophets from the beginning [have declared] concerning Him, and the Lord Jesus Christ Himself has taught us, and the Creed of the holy Fathers has handed down to us.

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Satanus

Jw teaching hardly qualifies as theology. Their god is a super spirit man. He barley reaches the knees of the catholic god. But then, the catholic has had millenia to grow a bit. The wt teaching is mechanistic. Call it mechan-ism. Haha. Mechanology ;)

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