Would a definite article prove that Jesus is God? (page 6)

Deputy Dog

design

Their view of him as Michael is as a one of a kind being/creature and different than Cherubs, Seraphs, messangers.

The JWs see him as an archangel.

Deputy Dog

OK

Like I keep asking

When Jesus said

John 6:51

"I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh."

What came down? A life force? If yes then The WT Jesus is a man with an archangel's life force

Spike Tassel

Here is Philippians 2:5-11 from the NWT, with the relevant footnotes included in expanded form.

5 Keep this mental attitude [Literally, "This be you minding"] in YOU that was also in Christ Jesus,

6 who. although he was existing in God's form, gave no consideration to a seizure [Or, "thing to be seized." Literally, "snatching."], namely, that he should be equal to God.

7 No, but he emptied himself and took a slave's form and came to be in the likeness of men.

8 More than that, when he found himself in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient as far as death, yes, death on a torture stake [See Appendix 5c.].

9 For this very reason also God exalted him to a superior position and kindly gave him the name that is above every [other] name,

10 so that in the name of Jesus every knee should bend of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the ground,

11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge [Literally, "should confess out."] that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.

Yes you are correct it would be his archangel life force, although it is never refered to as such. In Witness christology the prehuman Jesus is this one of a kind Son/Archangel and they appeal to Phil.2 like Spike has quoted and Heb.1:2,3. They also appeal to John 5 and 17 and the process identified as gifting where God graces his Son with all of his powers- the power to forgive, to redeem and save, to resurrect, to give eternal life etc..

ninja

I want to draw peoples attention to reniaas posting time....it says 9 hours ago....that would mean she was posting at 3a.m.....this is the same reniaa who has 3 kids ...the oldest being severely disabled and a relatively newborn kid........but....she hasn't had any rest....look at the times of the rest of her postings.......

the poor kids must be deprived

MidwichCuckoo

Afternoon Ninja - yes, she was also posting a few minutes before 6am, lol...I'm PMing you ...I have to post that, as the PM system is a tad dodgy...brace yourself and keep an eye on your inbox, tee hee.

Deputy Dog

designs

"Yes you are correct it would be his archangel life force, although it is never refered to as such."

Thankyou. That's been my point all along.

Deputy Dog

Spike

...but he emptied himself and took a slave's form and came to be in the likeness of men.

What do you think happenned to Michael the archangel in heaven?

Satanus

designs said,

'They also appeal to John 5 and 17 and the process identified as gifting where God graces his Son with all of his powers- the power to forgive, to redeem and save, to resurrect, to give eternal life etc..'

The above shows the extent and the way that the wt sees jesus/michael as being god or godlike. Deity is not something intrinsic to him. Rather, it's rights, powers and attributes GIVEN to him. Jesus' having a share of the actual god substance is not part of the wt corp's mechanistic belief.

S

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