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Witness theology is very much like Jewish Messianic theology of the 1st centuries BC and AD with a little Arius thrown in. Very Basic stuff.
Would a definite article prove that Jesus is God?
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Deputy Dog
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Find one JW who will say that Jesus was a man with the "life force" of an angel. If he does, he will be disfellowshipped.
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designs
DD Man/Angel is not a Witness position so ??? Don't make the same straw mistakes the T.Brochure makes.
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reniaa
It's okay to say John 1:1 is nature and qualative but it's then the assumption that God is a nature completely? so we as humans are by nature humans but then how can the bible say there can only be One true God if god is just a nature like being human? So making Jesus a god among a race of gods by nature.
then of course you have the issue of john 1:1 also used to call Jesus the one true God by identity.
So which does John 1:1 mean.... God by nature or God by identity? one of these is saying WHAT he is the other statement is saying WHO he is. we are mixing qualitive with quantitative.
As witnesses accept Jesus has divine qualities by nature in fact many things from god are given divine application including man himself who is said to be 'image of God' but that still doesn't mean they are The God in the quantitative term, which the lack of definitive article on the logos means that it isn't applied to mean the logos is identified as The true God unlike the Father which in numerous places is.
John 20:17 (New International Version)
17 Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "
basically trinity are trying to get two meanings out of John 1:1 for the price of one by false use of capatalising God to imply identity as well as the qualitive divine, the application of 'a' in English shows it is that he is divine nature and not to be confused with identifying him as the true God who John 1:1 itself clearly states the logos is 'WITH' which itself implies the logos isn't God.
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"Actually it does. It does no good to argue past somone's point of view by denying it. Witnesses did that in their Trinity Brochure by trying to describe that Belief as polytheism and modalism, both of which are wrong depictions. We shouldn't make the same mistake."
I believe it is you who is misrepresenting their beliefs:
He had been acting as a princely supervisory angel in behalf of the nation of Israel, and he was doubtless the angel that manifested himself in the burning thornbush to Moses at the foot of Mount Horeb back in the sixteenth century B.C.E. He has rightly been called Michael the archangel. His having his life-force transferred to Mary’s egg cell by Almighty God’s power that overshadowed Mary meant that he, Michael, disappeared from heaven. 1974 po- Ch11 The MessiahofGod’s"Eternal Purpose"
The price was his only-begotten Son whose life he transferred from the heavens to the womb of Mary so that his Son would be born a perfect human. With Jesus’ life-force coming from heaven rather than from Adam by means of procreation, he was free from the effects of Adam’s sin. He was sinless. 1963 WT A DeathThat Brought Life
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Satanus
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'With Jesus’ life-force coming from heaven rather than from Adam by means of procreation,'
Wow, that's amazing, dd. So, according to wt, the 'life force' is devoid of personality. Jesus was no more the same being/entity, michael the arch angel than we are the same entities as adam, if he had existed. Even less, actually, because jesus had an adamic body resting atop that 'life force'.
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Deputy Dog
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For them to deny the Jesus is a Human/Angel hybrid is amazing.
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DD Witness angelology about Jesus is different. Their view of him as Michael is as a one of a kind being/creature and different than Cherubs, Seraphs, messangers. And just so you know how 'Angel of the Lord' is viewed by Calvin, Luther, Matthew henry, august Strong etc., they all believed this "messanger' was Jesus in his pre-human existence, but consider this a designation not a marker as being an 'angel'.
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Satanus
Agreed. 'Course, the idea that a 'life force' can be sinful seems a bit ridiculous. Even the bible says that sin comes from the flesh, not the 'life force'.
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Deputy Dog
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Now you are changing the subject. I know very well what the reformers believed.