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isaacaustin

monogenese- monos meaning 'only'....genos meaning 'type' or 'kind'...not from gennao which means begotten.

When did Jesus become the 'only-begotten'? Go read John 1:18 and maybe, perhaps this will click in your little mind.

isaacaustin

When did Jesus become God's only-begotten son?

Romans 1:3,4; concerning his Son, who sprang from the seed of David according to the flesh, 4 but who with power was declared God’s Son according to the spirit of holiness by means of resurrection from the dead—yes, Jesus Christ our Lord,

Acts 13:33; that God has entirely fulfilled it to us their children in that he resurrected Jesus; even as it is written in the second psalm, ‘You are my son, I have become your Father this day.’

Ahh, at his resurrection, not at some supposed creation.

PSacramento

Hold on...

Are you saying thet Jesus only became God's Son upon his ressurection?

isaacaustin

No, PSac. Perhaps I didn't say it very well. What I am saying is that the Son had to take on the nature of humans and become temporarily lower than angels. But at his resurrection he was exalted to heaven and then he received a position superior to that of angels and received another superior name, the "only-begotten Son" that had its fullest meaning after his resurrection...

Spike Tassel

Post 2248 of isaacaustin is preposterous. Which Greek dictionary backs that up, isaacaustin?

PSacramento

Ah, thanks Issac, that is much clearer.

isaacaustin

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words

http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible/vines/greek.pl?term=genos&topic=0594

The following are the words that were found for "Genos":

Beget, Bear (of begetting), Born [genos]
Kind (Noun) [genos]
Kindred [genos]
Nation [genos]
Offspring [genos]

as bullet #2, it does not necessarily denote a birth but can also denote a kind

isaacaustin

Thanks PSac, and sorry

reniaa

and what proof do you have isaac that it's that and not birth that is the correct translation? other than that your theology demands it! so any reference to Jesus being born or birthed like provs 8, like first born, like begotten and called God's son have to be explained away. To fit in with your theology.

Reniaa

PSacramento

If you do a google you will find a few site in regards to monogenes and they all, typically, say that while it means "one of a kind/type" or "unique" it tends to be translated as only-begotten, probably because the vast majority understand only-begotten in regards to Jesus as "one of a kind" and "no other like him".

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