The Son in two persons

by Deputy Dog 332 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  Spike Tassel

  this is in line with Jesus (as Michael the Archangel) being above [ordinary, other classes of] angels.

  It is comparable to the WTS saying that a matter is to be dealt with by the service committee instead of by publishers. We all know that the elders on a service committee all are publishers, just several grades above the other classes of publishers.
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  isaacaustin

  not so SPike. an archangel is still an angel. Beyond that other verses show Jesus to be separate from Michael.

  1 thess 4;16

  For the Lord himself, with a word of command, with the voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God, will come down from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first.

  You are about to say, see, the voice of an archangel!

  Wrong!

  Rev 19 expands on this scene:

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  7 Then I saw the heavens opened, and there was a white horse; its rider was (called) "Faithful and True." He judges and wages war in righteousness.

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  His eyes were (like) a fiery flame, and on his head were many diadems. He had a name 8 inscribed that no one knows except himself.

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  He wore a cloak that had been dipped in 9 blood, and his name was called the Word of God.

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  The armies of heaven followed him, mounted on white horses and wearing clean white linen.

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  Out of his mouth came a sharp sword to strike the nations. He will rule them with an iron rod, and he himself will tread out in the wine press 10 the wine of the fury and wrath of God the almighty.

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  He has a name written on his cloak and on his thigh, "King of kings and Lord of lords."

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  11 Then I saw an angel standing on the sun. He cried out (in) a loud voice to all the birds flying high overhead, "Come here. Gather for God's great feast,

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  to eat the flesh of kings, the flesh of military officers, and the flesh of warriors, the flesh of horses and of their riders, and the flesh of all, free and slave, small and great."

  Ahh, verses 17 and 18...there is that voice of the archangel. You might also recognize that Jesus is mounted, or sitting while the angel is standing.
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  Spike Tassel

  Is an elder not also a publisher, as I said?
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  RubaDub

  I think some here are making the issue too complex.

  Just think of Jesus/Michael being like the "Wheel within a Wheel" in Ezekiel.

  It's like 2 wheels in one. They can be spinning in different directions but going the same way.

  Jesus and Michael could be riding their respective horses in different directions but always ending up in the same place.

  Hope this helps.

  Rub a Dub
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  isaacaustin

  Yes, but Jesus is not of the same nature as angels, thus incorrect comparison. Even if it were a viable comparison other text have just been presented which show they are two different persons.
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  Spike Tassel

  I respectfully disagree. I reason differently than you do, Isaac.
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  isaacaustin

  disagreement accepted...although there is nothing reasonable about it.
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  Spike Tassel

  I respectfully must disagree, just for the record.
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  PSacramento

  Spike,

  I am glad that you said "AN" archangel in your post, it means that you are at least aware that there is more than one.

  :)

  So tell me, God created the word through an archangel did he? where does it say that? and why did John, to name just one, not make that clear when he wrote his Gospel or his letters?
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  Spike Tassel

  Some claim more than one archangel. The NWT canon does NOT.

  Much is leave to the reader's discernment, until further scrolls are opened.