What/Who are the Saints? (page 6)

Sad emo

DD, I think that once again, you are making an unnecessary play on words!

What is Christlike behaviour?

You don't need me to answer that. What was Christ like when he was on earth?! WWJD?

Deputy Dog

Sad emo

The answer that I'm looking for is this, deeds or works no matter how wonderful they may appear to others, are irrelevant.

Christ likeness is a condition of the heart, that ONLY comes by FAITHin Christ.

How could a Pharisee for example be like Christ? It wouldn't matter what good deeds they did (and Pharisees did many), they could not be Christ like, without faith in Him.

PSacramento

Persoanlly I believe that Ghandi (using him again as an exanple) will be ressureced and given eternal life, why?

Because Ghandi had faith in Christ, even if not in the person of christ, he had faith in the word and message of Christ.

If anyone exemplified "love they neighbour", "turn the other cheek", Love god above all and love your neighbour as yourself", and much more, it was The Mahatma.

PSacramento

Narkissos,

If I am reading you correctly, you are saying that "kai" is being used when describing two qualities in the same people ie: Saints AND Faitful believers, yes?

PS: yes, especially with ONE article for BOTH substantives. Transposing into English: "to the Saints AND the Faithful" might be read as two categories of people (not that it would have to); but "to the Saints and Faithful" is obviously referring to the same people.

Deputy Dog

PS

W hat do you think Ghandi would say about these words of Christ?

Joh 14:6

Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

and

Mat 10:34

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

PSacramento

DD,

I would think that Ghandi would argu what was "the way and the truth" was it just believing or believing and doing.

Recall Jesus to Philip, "even if you don't beleive me, beleive the miracles you see".

As for Mat, I have never been a fan of "confrontational Jesus", he seems very much as odd with "loving Jesus" who comes "not to judge man but to save man".

I always viewed that passage, inrelation to all ohter in the NT to mean that his word, his teachings woudl cause conflict with the status quo, with the "powers that be" of the time, not so much in the sense that Jesus was there to start trouble and "kick ass and take names".

Know what I mean?

Deputy Dog

PS

Know what I mean?

No I don't. I've read the book of Revelation.

PSacramento

DD,

And if you hadn't?

Deputy Dog

I still would have read Matthew 24&25

Mat 24:30

Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory

Mat 24:50

the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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