Another Trinity Thread (page 4)

jonathan dough

Is there any verse that says that Jesus was created ?

Nothing valid.

yknot

Back to the topic please.....

We all know your opinion Jonathan, and your belief of absoluteness within that opinion.

We were discussing :

Can you clarify something for me please? The JW's teach that MOST (to them, that means ALL) religions teach the trinity as being that GOD Almighty, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are Literally ONE, meaning the exact same 'person', none higher than the other, inseparable, the exact same thing. They mainly use Catholics and Baptists, in my experience. Can anyone confirm or deny this? IMO, anyone I've ever spoken with (non-jw) does believe in the Trinity, but not in the above description. While they believe they are inseparable, they also believe they are 3 separate things/people....that they are "one" (as in united). But not ONE.
The Witnesses response was: "well, sure, there are individuals who believe that, but they are just using common sense and not following the bizarre teachings of their church."
Can you confirm or deny this? I haven't done enough research to know. Have any of you had experience with this? Do Most churches believe in the 1st OR the 2nd trinity belief?
I posted a few comments found in the WT and another poster has referenced the Trinity brochure.

PSacramento

The vatican website has the offical trinity doctrine of the RCC if you wanna see for yourself.

yknot

Here is the Southern Baptist statement before breaking down... God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit

http://www.sbc.net/bfm/bfm2000.asp#ii

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

The reason the WTS focuses on the Baptist and Catholics so much is due their both being the largest denominations within the USA.

http://www.americanreligionsurvey-aris.org/reports/p1a_belong.html

Not so fast. Again, you are the one who raised the issue saying "Personally and unapologetically I am an Arian Christian". And now you want to evade what you said? Try defending your statements instead of dodging them.

yknot

No, I stated facts, me-Arian, you- trinitarian

I have no need to defend or debate my opinion as I am satisfied and happy.....just as you too are satisfied/happy with your opinions as well.

>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to topic<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

From the American Baptist identity statement:

American Baptists worship the triune God of the Bible, who is eternally one God in three persons. This one, true God is most clearly revealed to us in the incarnate Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

http://www.abc-usa.org/WhoWeAre/Identity/IdentityStatement/tabid/78/Default.aspx

PSacramento

Yknot,

What issues do you have with the statement ?

jonathan dough

Largest denominations in the world

yknot

Which statement PS?

Narkissos

Just dropping by, I notice there is a certain "modalist" ring to the Southern Baptist statement

There is one and only one living and true God. He is an intelligent, spiritual, and personal Being, the Creator, Redeemer, Preserver, and Ruler of the universe. God is infinite in holiness and all other perfections. God is all powerful and all knowing; and His perfect knowledge extends to all things, past, present, and future, including the future decisions of His free creatures. To Him we owe the highest love, reverence, and obedience. The eternal triune God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.

Personality is attached to the One rather than to the Three; distinct personal attributes are attached to the way ("as") God reveals himself to us (although he is also called "the eternal triune God"). If this presentation reflects a common American view (which I suppose is due to the tension between the popular affirmation that "God is a person" and the theological formulation that "God is three persons," which calls for questioning the meaning of "person") this may explain, in part, the confusion in WT argumentation.

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