by wannabe 62 Replies latest watchtower bible
The bible is the written word of men inspired by God.
It was written by men, inspired men but falliable men nevertheless.
Jesus rebuked the scribes for a very good reason, they had mislead people with their writings, they added to the word of God and justififed things as "God's will".
There is ONE word of God, ONE bread of Life and that is Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
The NT is simply what was written ABOUT Jesus and his teachings, it is NOT Jesus.
I find it amusing that the 3 individuals(jonathan dough,isaacaustin, and BurhTheShips) who are zealously defending this ridiculous doctrine don't even agree with each other on the definition of the doctrine.
As opposed to the enforced unty of belief in the WT? It should not be surprising that no man, who is finite, has a perfect and complete understanding of the nature of God, something infinite.
ACtually, they agree on the core of the matter:
One God comprised of 3 persons - Father, Son and HS.
No confusion there.
Exactly PSac, as the 1st century Christians believed on the core of issues, as opposed to lockstep conformity.
This is getting more confusing, not clearer.
isaacaustin and BurnTheShips, thank you for your evenhanded and respectful dialog in this thread. BlueGrass does have a point, though, in that there doesn't seem to be "A" Trinity doctrine but rather they all seem to be personal intepretations of a metaphor that may have only tangential relation to reality. If they are all acceptable then none of them can really be considered absolutely true. And if it really doesn't matter and we really can't get at the truth of the matter, why is this such a divisive piece of doctrine?
jonathan dough, your website address and argumentative posting style have been duly noted.
I'm only around 10 minutes in to the RealAudio files leavingwt. Nothing new to report yet but I'll keep the thread posted.
I am sorry if I confused things Mad Sweeney. Let me try to sum up my points in a nut shell- The father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 persons, with distinctions in roles. Together these 3 persons operate in perfect untiy as one entity, one God. So I am not saying the Father and the Son are the same person, they are not. These three entities operation is as one God, the one true God.
I get what you're saying, isaacaustin. It is just that your fellow Trinitarians are saying Trinity is something different than you are. I'm not looking for proof but rather a firm definition, and there doesn't seem to be agreement on one.
"Within the nature of the one God there are three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And these three share the same attributes. In effect, the three Persons are One God." Got this quote from Walter Martin's talk I'm listening to. Still looks like 1+1+1=1 to me, and so far he seems to be defining it that way. I'm not even halfway into it yet, though, and my break is almost over...
to be continued...
If you like math think:
1 x 1 x 1 = 1
Okay, look at it this way...a child who has two parents who are united could be said to have one boss- his parents. He does not have 2 bosses- his parent's operate in unity and their authority is one. If his parent's did not operate in unity and one parent allowed certain things while another parents disallowed those things then we would not have unity or one authority, would we? Possibly not the best illustration...hope it helps.
