Immortal Soul? Impossible!

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  • FuzzyPaul
    FuzzyPaul

    Josephus's Discourse to The Greeks Concerning Hades

    by Flavius Josephus can be found online at sacred-texts and other locations.

    Discourse to The Greeks Concerning Hades explains the beliefs regarding the Soul and Hades which the Jews of Jesus day had. If the Jewish beliefs contained therein were erroneous then Jesus would most definitely have corrected them, NOT used them in the story of The Rich Man In Hades. To not correct a "false teaching" would have been a gross negligence. Jesus had no qualms about challenging false doctrines.

    Regards,

    Paul

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    Bear in mind that the latter work is misattributed to Josephus; its author was probably Hippolytus.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Blue Grass, you are a JW, right?

    Now please tell me where the anointed go when they die.

    Where does a Governing Body member go when he dies?

    What would they say at his funeral?

    They go to heaven to reign with Christ, according to the JW view because they are of the 144,000, correct?

    You already believe in human spirits that live on after death.

    BTS

  • Chalam
    Chalam

    Get some faith soon Mary, you'd make an awesome teacher.

    BTS

    Agreed! Come on in Mary, the water's nice and warm :)

    Blessings,

    Stephen

  • jonathan dough
    jonathan dough

    Frankiespeakin: What happens when you die? Your brain stops working your consciousness ends, there is no ghost in the machine if your brain stops working you no longer think you no longer feel there is no proof what so ever that you are still alive any where else.

    This is classic materialism, and you evidently agree with the JWs on this.

    The Jehovah's Witnesses are technically “materialists” and subscribe to the doctrine of materialism (not to be confused with greed and the accumulation of things). Materialists deny body/soul dualism and the very existence of a “soul.” They believe all cognitive functions of thought, emotions, will and conscience, etc. are biological consequences of the material self, the body. When the body dies, that which traditionalists call the soul (spirit) simply vanishes and ceases to exist. “For the materialists, the soul, or the conscious life, is but a function of the organism, and necessarily perishes at death” (www.newadvent.org/cathen/07687a.htm).

    Materialism is not unique to the Watchtower Society. It can be traced back to the Greek philosopher Epicurus (341-270 B.C.) who taught, among other things, that nothing exists except matter and space (PBD at 256). Epicurus believed that ... he could disprove the possibility of the soul's survival after death Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epicurus/. Furthermore, “[t]he Epicurean school offers us the most complete and reasoned negation of immortality among ancient philosophers” (newadvent.org/cathen/07687 at 3). Epicureanism was widespread and popular during the time of Christ, and it is logical to conclude that the Jehovah's Witnesses' doctrine of materialism is rooted in this Greek philosophy.

    Similarly, the ancient Sadducees, a religious party that existed during the time of Christ and which had members in the Jewish council called the Sanhedrin (which caused Christ to be put to death) denied “personal immortality, and retribution in a future life (PBD at 741), just like the Jehovah's Witnesses. “The doctrine of the Sadducees,” wrote Josephus,” is this, that souls die with the bodies,” (Antiq. Xviii. 1, 4); and again, “they also take away the belief of the immortal duration of the soul, and the punishments and rewards in Hades” (Jewish War, ii,i,14) (PBD at 741), just as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

    In contemporary times the Jehovah's Witnesses are allied with secular atheists and other non-Christians on the margins who go to great lengths to deny the existence of the Christian immortal soul, or any soul for that matter, claiming that the Christian soul is nothing more than the product of an organism, secretions of the brain and such, basing their claims in part on “neurophysiology,” (Restoring the Soul to Christianity, DR 502, J.P. Moreland, http://www.equip.org/articles/restoring-the-soul-to-christianity/).

    Lastly, there has been a recent rash of materialist apologetics – evangelical preachers – who argue that Christian body/soul dualism is false, that a person is not a composite of body and soul, that the soul does not survive the death of the body, and the resurrected unsaved wicked are not punished eternally, or at all, but are simply extinguished, annihilated, being treated to a kinder, gentler, one-size-fits-all form of punishment. Of course it is no surprise that such modern-day preachers are attempting to overturn 2,000 years of Christian theology, for the Bible warns us that “in the last days, false teachers and false prophets will appear among us (2 Peter 2:1; Matthew 24:11).

    You can read my latest in-depth article challenging the Jws on their notion that there is no soul right here:

    http://www.soul.host-ed.me/index.html

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