100 Million Americans Question Official 911 Story

by sammielee24 217 Replies latest members politics

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    I finally understand the level of ignorance I've been dealing with. People that can't read and absolutely show how incapable they are of comprehending what has been said over and over again.

    Sorry bohm....slay away all you will. I never said that planes didn't hit the building. Not once. At every turn I've said I want to hear more because I don't believe we've heard all that is needed to put the picture together. There is NO evidence that there are not more answers to the questions we've asked. You live in a small world - please stay there because you feel safe and somehow superior wrapped in a cloak of denial.

    JW - I don't believe the government conspired to attack their own people. I believe there is more to the story we need to know about the timing, the connection to the Saudi's and security that was ignored. You and VIII can keep attacking me personally for not choosing to ingest fluoride - ain't it a great feeling to deride someone and treat them like a pile of dung because you choose not to? Hate to see what you do to vegetarians, natural foods supporters or environmentalists, gays..I think a right wing talk show was spouting the conspiracy about homosexuals taking over Holllywood and turning the USA into a bunch of orgy loving, gay, immoral citizens....who knows, was he right? Conspiracy in the making???

    Dr Watson - re-evaluate your skills. You keep trying to twist words and it doesn't work. I never said you were blind if you didn't believe anything and I have no reason nor any desire to prove anything to you. You choose to ignore anything that has been printed so continue to box yourself in with that rationale.

    The fact of the matter is this - believe what you want. The truth is that the 9/11 report that was to be an investigation of all the incidents surrounding this event, has been proven not to be comprehensive nor true. The report we read has now been shown to be at the very least questionable....those are the facts you can chew on. Bottom line is you choose to base your truth on a report that has been exposed as at the very least, questionable in content. I choose to base my understanding on a report that contains no questionable content, because until that report can be produced, all you have are allegations, suggestions, possibilities and more questions.

    Nobody is arguing that planes hit buildings....the questions lie in the investigation and summary report that was produced and which, by admission of those on the committee, is not comprehensive in that they themselves believed that information was falsified, ommitted or ignored. I didn't write the report, I read it, I read what some involved with the investigation have said - if they have questions, what makes you think you shouldn't?

    To each their own - sammieswife.

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  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    I finally understand the level of ignorance I've been dealing with. People that can't read and absolutely show how incapable they are of comprehending what has been said over and over again.

    We could say exactly the same thing to the people who simply cannot accept the idea that this is not a government conspiracy.

    Still haven't seen you (or anyone) post any irrefutable proof of a conspiracy. Just vague generalizations, guesses, combined with attempts insult those who don't buy into this nonsense.

    I will be happy to change my mind about what happened once sufficient evidence is presented that overrides the mountains of hard evidence that we already have.

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  • Gregor
    Gregor

    I suggest that when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.

    Getting shrill doesn't win over hearts and minds, either.

    By the way, the "Death Panel" in the health care scam is real. Obviously it is not called that, but the provision is there to stop medical measures when the government determines it doesn't pencil out.

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  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    If you don't get it you are just not capable of getting it.

    THE SENIOR COUNSEL AND HEAD OF COMMISSION, HAVE BASICALLY SAID IN 2010, THAT THE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT, THE ONE COMPLETED BY THE COMMITTEE IN THE 9/11 COMMISSION, IS AT THE VERY LEAST UNTRUE.

    Now, if the report was to provide facts, and it doesn't, then YOU are the one basing your assumptions of all that happened, on a bunch of generalizations and lies. Not me. Not anyone who simply asks for the facts.

    Planes hit the building. That's a fact. Everything else you think you know you don't because you only know the 'facts' as the government has given you. The government gave you a report that is not true. This has been admitted by members of the committee who did the investigation. So what don't you get? There is no conspiracy here. There's a request for another investigation and a report based on facts. Based on the truth. We don't have the truth so everything you think you know, is just what you've been fed and at this point, what YOU believe is not the book of hard evidence you believe.

    Someone here said it would take too many people to cover up such an event...they may be right, I don't know. I do know the Catholic Church covered up a lot of things for a lot of years and just lately the conspiracy and cover up around Katrina was finally outed - in the case of 9/11 the report itself has been exposed as a lie. That's a fact. That's not made up by a bunch of conspiracy theorists or some other undeserved and labelled group of people who just want some solid information. sammieswife.

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    (Lee Celano ljc/JJ/Reuters)

    A New Orleans policeman searches for stranded residents in the Gentilly neighbourhood of New Orleans two days after Hurricane Katrina struck

    They are known as the Danziger Seven, a brotherhood of police officers bonded by a shameful secret but protected by a “blue code” of silence. Only now, four and a half years after they shot dead two innocent people during the anarchy that came after Hurricane Katrina, has the deceit by New Orleans police officers begun to unravel after three cracked under the pressure of a federal investigation.

    On September 4, 2005, officers from the New Orleans Police Department fired at a group of unarmed survivors of the storm and flooding that had ravaged the city. One of the dead was Ronald Madison, 40, a mentally disabled man. To cover their tracks the officers and their colleagues fabricated reports, planted evidence and framed their victims. Lance Madison, 49, Ronald’s brother, who was among those injured, was jailed for several weeks on bogus charges of attempted murder after officers claimed that he had fired first, despite his never having a weapon.

    Last month two homicide detectives caved in and gave evidence. “I have neither imagined nor heard of more treacherous or despicable conduct by law enforcement officers,” US District Judge Lance Africk said, after Jeffrey Lehrmann, the former lieutenant and one of the two original whistleblowers, pleaded guilty when he was charged with covering up a crime.

    “You, and others like you, through an elaborate conspiracy of deceit and obstruction, have caused an inordinate degree of mental anguish and pain ... You have compounded the damage caused by Hurricane Katrina in an immeasurable way. You have disgraced your badge.”

    In their testimony Lehrmann and his former colleague Lieutenant Michael Lohman, 42, described colleagues concocting statements from non-existent witnesses, making up names and details and referring to a gun that they had planted at the scene of the shooting as a “ham sandwich”.

    “They treated it like a joke ... it’s absolutely stunning to hear about the casual way in which these officers went about destroying people’s lives,” said Mary Howell, a civil rights lawyer who represents the Madison family.

    Yesterday one of the shooters was charged with obstruction of justice and knowledge of a crime. Michael Hunter, 33, is the first police officer present when the killings happened to face a court.

    Six days after Katrina left much of New Orleans under water, devoid of communications and leadership and in a state of chaos and paranoia, police were called to the Danziger Bridge, which spans the Industrial Canal in the east of the city. They were responding to reports, which proved false, that two officers had been shot. They claim that when they arrived they came under fire and were forced to shoot in self-defence.

    However, the Madisons were unarmed and had simply been attempting to cross the bridge to seek shelter at their brother’s dental surgery. Police claim that Ronald was shot once as he reached to his waistband and turned towards them to shoot. Yet a post-mortem examination found seven bullets in his body, including five in his back.

    At the other end of the bridge Leonard Bartholomew, his wife Susan, their children, nephew and friend James Barsat, 19, were trying to find food when police bullets hit five of them. Mr Barsat was killed.

    “We’re all on the ground and all you can see is blood everywhere. You can hear everybody hollering, moaning,” Mrs Bartholomew told National Public Radio a year later in her only interview. “My right arm was on the ground lying next to me ... it had been shot off.” Her nephew, Jose Holmes, 19, claimed that after he was struck by two bullets an officer leant over the concrete barrier where he had sought shelter, put a rifle to his stomach and pulled the trigger twice.

    When other police arrived to investigate the shooting, including Lehrmann and Lohman, they realised that their colleagues had been involved in a “bad shoot” of unarmed people. The cover-up that followed included falsifying statements from the Bartholomews saying that Mr Holmes had shot at police first.

    According to Lehrmann, one sergeant drafted testimony from a fictitious witness, Lakeisha Smith, that the Madisons had been looting and robbing and that Ronald had been about to shoot police when he was felled.

    Meetings were held for officers to confer on getting their stories straight, spent bullet casings were kicked off the bridge to destroy evidence and officers “discussed how they could use Hurricane Katrina as an excuse for failures in the investigation of the Danziger Bridge shootings and thereby use the storm to help make the entire situation ‘go away’, ” court documents reveal.

    In 2006 the seven officers involved in the shootings were charged with murder and attempted murder. However, colleagues and police unions rose in anger, vaunting them as wronged heroes. A judge dismissed the charges in 2008, citing misconduct by prosecutors. This led to public outrage and intervention by federal authorities who have promised an all-out hunt for the truth.

    “The intensity of the investigation is increasing,” David Welker, a FBI special agent said, adding that the investigation would “aggressively pursue the evidence wherever it leads”.

    “Going into Hurricane Katrina, the police department was already in very serious trouble,” Mrs Howell said.

    “There are a number who have conducted themselves in an honest and decent way but it’s not an insignificant number that were involved in some kind of misconduct, killings and framings. It’s not a few bad apples; it’s a serious reflection on the entire department.”

    She added: “This police department has to be cleaned out ... this cover-up was in cold blood, it was calculating and it involved multiple officers.”

    Lehrmann and Lohman will be sentenced at a later date. Mr Hunter faces eight years in prison and a $500,000 (£330,000) fine if convicted.

    Other police-involved killings and unexplained deaths are also being looked into amid accusations from the public, lawyers and community leaders that the New Orleans Police Department is “rotten to its core”.

    “This has opened up a Pandora’s Box,” Dr Romell Madison, the brother of Lance and Ronald, said. “The process of closure has started, but I’m more delighted about the fact that crimes like this that didn’t only affect me but a lot of other people here in New Orleans will be looked at.

    “I know members of the police force, some of them and their families are my patients and they confide in me that the truth will come out. I tell them I just hope it comes out in my lifetime.”

    Big Easy hard times

    — Hurricane Katrina approached the Florida coast on August 25, 2005, and picked up pace as it veered towards Louisiana, hitting land four days later at 125mph (200kph)

    — About 80 per cent of New Orleans was flooded, 770,000 people displaced and more than 1,500 killed

    — Tens of thousands took refuge in the Superdome, New Orleans’s vast sports stadium, and in the days after the hurricanes reports spread of looting, violence and sexual assault. Many rumours were false, but Louisiana gangsters who fled to Houston increased the murder rate there by 28 per cent during their stay

    — At the peak of the relief effort, more than 40,000 troops were deployed along the Gulf coast. The recovery effort cost $110 billion. The population has still not returned to pre-Katrina levels

    — Louisiana residents hailed a big step in the city’s recovery in February when their American football team, the Saints, won a stunning victory over the Indianapolis Colts in the 2010 Super Bowl — the first time in its 42 years in the National Football League that the team had reached the final

    Sources: Bloomberg; Reuters; Times archives

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  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Sheesh!

    SammiesWife is just putting her thoughts out there, as you guys are doing!

    What's wrong with that?

    I questioned it when it happened, and continue to do so.

    That's why we were given minds, people!

    Sylvia

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  • JWoods
    JWoods

    Is it time we put this thread out of it's misery?

    Just asking - 5 pages and nothing new has come out of it.

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  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    By the way, the "Death Panel" in the health care scam is real. Obviously it is not called that, but the provision is there to stop medical measures when the government determines it doesn't pencil out.

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    I'd say you were an idiot or stupid for believing such tripe but you are entitled to your own opinion and it might just be based on gullibility so I can cut you some slack. sammieswife.

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  • DaCheech
    DaCheech

    i was watching from the hills of NJ (1 mile from Trade center and it was a clear morning until the smoke started stacking) and saw the smoke from the first hit and the 2nd plane hit live (yes live!).

    I can testimony to the fact that it did happen, just like on TV

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  • Gregor
    Gregor

    Sheesh!

    SammiesWife is just putting her thoughts out there, as you guys are doing!

    What's wrong with that?

    I questioned it when it happened, and continue to do so.

    That's why we were given minds, people!

    Sylvia

    Look at it this way, Syl. As a black person growing up in the south, how would you feel if a theory came out that slavery and prejudice against black people in the US was actually a conspiracy by black people to get special treatment, affirmative action, quota hiring, promotions, quota college admissions, etc.

    How do Jews feel when they hear holocaust deniers saying the jews made it all up or caused it themselves.

    The families of 3000 victims don't appreciate their tragedy being turned into a looney, unfounded conspiracy theory.

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  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Apples and oranges, Gregor, though some atrocities have been covered over by historians.

    I think the purpose of SW's posts is to show the chicanery of the US government.

    I get it - and her.

    Sylvia

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