by Mad Sweeney 508 Replies latest watchtower bible
TTWSYF: I hardly agree with myself.lol.
That's exactly the point.
I've sat back and watched to see if he is open to at least considering the views of some who have more experience than him. But no. Definately not a thinker. Only a follower. Just a more outspoken follower, is all he is. I can see that he gives absolutely no thought to anyone else's research. That, to me, is not the mark of someone wanting to guide others to Truth.
That and his arrogantly snide comments. Extremely Un-Christ-like.
theMadJW Have you accepted Jeezuz as your Personal Lord and Savior? heh
Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my Saviour, just as the good book says :)
9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. 11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved , just as they are."
31 They replied, " Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household. "
He said to them, 24 "Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, 'Sir, open the door for us.'
"But he will answer, 'I don't know you or where you come from.'
26 "Then you will say, 'We ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.'
27 "But he will reply, 'I don't know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!'
28 "There will be weeping there, and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but you yourselves thrown out. 29 People will come from east and west and north and south, and will take their places at the feast in the kingdom of God. 30 Indeed there are those who are last who will be first, and first who will be last."
Blessings, Stephen
Wow! Amazing how certain people here can't focus to the point their OT rantings ruin a perfectly good thread. Why don't y'all jacking this thread go create your own thread and get off of this one?
Now staying on topic this is my choice:
1 Timothy 6: [Bible in Basic English]
3 If any man gives different teaching, not in agreement with the true words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the teaching which is in agreement with true religion,
4 He has an over-high opinion of himself; being without knowledge, having only an unhealthy love of questionings and wars of words, from which come envy, fighting, cruel words, evil thoughts,
5 Bitter talk of men who, being evil in mind and dead to what is true, take the faith to be a way of making profit.
The Dubs sometimes use 1Tim 6 as justification for judging people who don't agree with them. That's the only application of it I have seen. They would of course NEVER apply it to themselves.
"Mad JW- Are you familair with the scripture that says 'always learning, but never getting accurate knowledge'? The obvious answer to your question is answered by the fact that no other organization or school of theology recognizes the NWT as an accurate, scholarly, untampered interpretation. "
Mad: That is not true, but completely irrelevant; regardless of claims, the bottom line is the "proof in the pudding". I did not WANT to become a JW, and the NWT was something I attacked Viciuosly- always trying to find a mistake- and failing. The only 'mistake' that's legit, is how they added God's name in a few places in the NT- and even THAT is not a real mistake!
Now, to your first example (thank you).
1-Was Jesus speaking e-bonics? SEREIOUSLY! Even the one time when God USED the symbolic name, it was proper language.
2- IS Jesus God Almighty?; for that would be the ONLY basis for ASSUMING he spoke 'e-bonics'. (NO, he ISN'T- but THAT is why translators have DELIBERATELY mistranslated this)
3-Did you know that the EXACT SAME TERM is used often ELSEWHWERE in the NT, by Paul, and others- translated as "I am ", " I have been", "I was", "it is I", etc- but NEVER as that Symbolic Hebrew Name!? Do you think that they, too, are your "I AM"?
4- Where you aware there are NO CAPS in Koine Greek- and that translators use them there to GIVE that false impression?
Stop and THINK (NOT in CHURCHESE!):
Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the
children of Israel,
Jehovah,
the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:
this is my name FOREVER,
and this is my memorial unto all generations.
(They were beginning to doubt He existed, as many today; this Symbolic
Name was to show He was about to prove otherwise)
No one prays to 'I Am', and.... Jesus was NOT speaking e-bonics.
He was simply bringing out the fact that he was ALIVE in Abraham's Day!
"The Dubs sometimes use 1Tim 6 as justification for judging people who don't agree with them. That's the only application of it I have seen. They would of course NEVER apply it to themselves"
The Mad Dub says: "Of COURSE, because we LISTEN to the words of Christ, while you churchoids add churchese!
"I Am" is not an Ebonics phrase.
It IS if it was EVER used that way...it wasn't. Just another of MANY mistranslations!
I AM so sick of chuch coprolite.
Sorry, "I AM" is a first person singular imperfect form that is used quite frequently in the English language and from what I have read "is a common English translation (JPS and others) of the response God used in theHebrew Bible when Moses asked for His name (Exodus 3:14). It is one of the most famous verses in the Torah. Hayah means "existed" or "was" in Hebrew; "ehyeh" is the first person singular imperfect form. Ehyeh asher ehyeh is generally interpreted to mean I am that I am, though it more literally translates as "I-shall-be that I-shall-be." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_that_I_Am
I will state again "I AM" is not a specificly ebonics phrase. Just because something may sound wrong to you it might behoove you to do a little bit of research before you catagorize it with a speech pattern that you apparently have disdain for.
