Damn straight. It actually is part of the playbook. They admit that cyclically, Democrats will return to power. So they rack up a debt, knowing a Dem will come along to address it. They call it the "two Santa Clause" theory.
Anyone going to the TEA PARTY Tommorow?
by Cagefighter 106 Replies latest jw friends
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worldtraveller
How do you stop a Tea Party rally? Open up an all you can eat buffet next door.
BTW, is it really necessary to drop the F bomb at every conversation here? You can make a point without being so crude, right?
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heathen
been there done that even had rick perry show up . I'm bailing on the movement because the republicans have hijacked it and at this point I blame them for all our problems both domestic and foreign.
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beksbks
Looks like somebody done growed up.
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mindmelda
The thing that makes me saddest about all of this debate over health care and finances is to read that there are actually some people who believe that everyone who is poor did something evil or bad to make themselves that way, they deserve to stay that way because they're all druggies or whores or just bad lazy people who deserved to die in the gutter, and that helping them to help themselves makes our government "socialistic".
When did that happen? That the people who think they have God in their pocket think that charity to the poor and compassion for their plight and wanting to help them better themselves are liberal tricks to convert everyone to socialism?
These are the kind of people who see someone in the unemployment line or at the welfare office getting food stamps who has been looking hard for a job every week since laid off and yells, "Get a job!" at them.
I'm one of those people. My husband and I both lost our jobs. We used to be almost middle class, but had no health care provisions because of pre-existing conditions and neither of our jobs offered health care. We made decent enough money, but my husband got very sick and we lost nearly everything.
I'm not a drug dealer, a hooker or a welfare scam artist. I'm a person trying to find work, regain something of what I lost, and re-train for a better job in this economy. My husband's line of work, construction plumbing was hard hit and now he's too generally disabled to do that kind of physical work every day. He's in his fifties with multiple health problems that he's ironically finally getting cared for now that we're so poor we can get Medicaid...I have two minor kids, so we qualify. He finally found work after 5 months of both looking and recovering from his serious infection. He now makes 15 dollars less an hour than he used to make, and can only work 4 days a week.
We live with relatives, who do need us, but still, with me going to school instead of working all the time, we couldn't afford to live elsewhere. We pay part of the utilities here and help keep up the farm. My MIL is widowed and in bad health herself, she has terminal lung cancer. We live with her and probably will until she passes away.
You may say, "Not my problem, too bad." But every time someone like me looses a home, can't pay their payments, can't find work, can't get off food stamps or Medicaid because we can't make enough money, can't get educated for a better or different job, can't pay for our health care so we can stay healthy enough to go to work, to school, YOU ALL PAY FOR IT. You, the taxpayers.
One option is to just let people like me and others just swing in the wind. Well, we saw that during the great depression. Homeless people drifting around, no jobs, starving, stealing, living in camps, riding the rails.
The 22% unemployed during the Great Depression actually constitute about the same number people as the 10% we have now unemployed. The population of the US in the thirties was only about 127 million, it's now over 300 million. We've pretty much doubled our population since then. (our last big population increase was the early 90s, by the way...it's been decreasing since, probably in part because of economic reasons.) That's a lot of people not working and depending to some extent on social welfare to get by. But, what you gonna do? Just let them starve?
I've seen countries like that, been there, where over a third of the population is dirt floor shack poor. There's disease, filth everywhere, hunger, people selling their children for sex and farming them out to work hard labor for pennies, crime, theft, violence, children and old people eating from the garbage bins of the weathly.
Don't think we don't have places like that in Good Old America, too. I've seen it here too, along the Mississippi in small, very poor, mostly rural towns.
Yeah...not nice to think about, but without some of those awful "socialistic" programs we put in place in the 30s...that's what much more of America would be now...I'm convinced of it.
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beksbks
MM, I think many in this country have forgotten that America is her people. They have forgotten Civilization. We have been unfortunately repeating history for the last thirty years, and I had hoped that we had gotten low enough for everyone to see that we need the same kind of action FDR took to turn the tide last time. But apparently people are fools, and they obviously need to see the country flounder even further before they will reign in the robber barons this time.
Good luck to you
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mrsjones5
The thing that makes me saddest about all of this debate over health care and finances is to read that there are actually some people who believe that everyone who is poor did something evil or bad to make themselves that way, they deserve to stay that way because they're all druggies or whores or just bad lazy people who deserved to die in the gutter, and that helping them to help themselves makes our government "socialistic".
I feel the same way Mindmelda. We lost our house last year, had to move back to California to a tiny 2 bedroom apt with 4 kids, my husband is in pain everyday and I'm lucky if he makes it out of bed, we're on cash aid and foodstamps (something I thought would never happen to me or my family) and thankfully we're on MediCal so my husband has access to medical care, because of what my husband goes through I cannot leave my autistic son alone with his father which means my employment choices are extremely limited, my kids don't qualify for bus transportation here so I have to drive them to school (their schools are too far for them to walk to) which also limits any time that might go towards employment, I would work at night but who's gonna take care of my husband and kids during the day when I would need to sleep, my husband's first application for SSI was denied and we're going through the appeal process - we pray that he gets it.
I sit here day after day and wish my husband was well and we're back in Indiana in our own house but that's not going to happen. I try not to come to these threads because they can be so heartless and cruel.
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mindmelda
I also have a son with Aspergers, a milder form of autism, but he still needs more attention that other 17 year olds would need. That kept me from working full time for years.
I don't know where we'd be if my MIL hadn't taken us in, but she says without us, she'd be in a bad way too, so it's a good thing for now, but yes, I miss my house, of course. We had a very nice house and all the kids had their own rooms, something they don't have now. Still, we make do. You just have to.
SSI is an awful process. I have a cousin who applied after a serious car accident he had while on the job, he was driving a van for Office Max and was hit by a driver who ran a red light. He broke his back in three places and crushed a vertebrae in his neck.
The man could hardly walk, has had 4 surgeries on his back and neck to keep him from being paralyzed and still has one leg that is partially paralized and it took SSI two years to accept him after he got a lawyer!
The thing that kept them going was that Workman's comp and the other insurance came through first. But, of course, that didn't last forever, and h had a lot of very high hospital and doctor bills. They still had to pay some out of pocket.
Yes, I know so many people who need their own "bailout". I don't expect the government to do everything for me, but I also dont need it stepping on me while I'm down, either.
Interestingly, I know quite a few people in this area who were Republican and raised that way that switched to Democrat that last election. I don't think Obama is perfect or has all the answers, but I can say that he seems to be doing his best to do what he said he would. I don't remember being promised any miracles.
But, my husband is a rabid Democrat now...I'm still an Independent, but I am a liberal one. I guess part of the reason I am is I'd just like to see more than two parties in America. I think it's part of our problem.
But, I guess it was Independent Bernie Saunders ripping Alan Greenspan a new one that got to me. He said everything I wanted to say to that douche...sometimes I think the Dems are just TOO nice. Sometimes. *G*
I hope you get your hearing and good wishes on that. I'm sure that someday, my husband will be there too. He is a type two diabetic and his neuropathy is getting worse every year. That's pain from the nerves being damaged by the diabetes, which in his case, seems to be his worse problem. He's on Ultram, a fairly strong pain medication for neuropathic pain every day now.
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sammielee24
Sammie Lee, I respect everyone that works even if they are not paid well.. Been there, done it and I scratched, clawed, sacrificed to get to where I am. I would have gotten there a lot quicker if I wasn't supporting everyone else's good time.
I do not dismiss that a lot of people in this country want to have their taxes raised and want to support the poverty stricken breeders that have not discovered the miracle of birth control. There is a way to get what they want... You get together and do all this stuff on the state level... I believe Massachusettes already has healthcare for everyone... Why don't people just move there or ask their state legislature to enact similar programs. For the Federal government to do this is illegal and tyranny. That is why I will be at the TEA party, not because I am racist or ignorant.
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You could be a big fish in a place with no regulation...where the poverty stricken breeders can be shot or machete'd ...be a whole heck of a lot faster for you say in Somalia.
As for birth control - funny thing all that when you have States where planned parenthood organizations are being portrayed as ethnically genocidal, where birth control or sex ed is being outlawed for teens, where you can get married at 14 years of age and money from the government has been provided for abstinence only programs.
From your tone, it would seem that the 'respect' you claim to have, has gone to sleep,,,,I would say that people attending tea parties and claiming NOT to be prejudiced is somewhat of a good laugh....sammieswife.
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sammielee24
One option is to just let people like me and others just swing in the wind. Well, we saw that during the great depression. Homeless people drifting around, no jobs, starving, stealing, living in camps, riding the rails.
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I think you all are not getting 'it'.
There is an ever growing segment of the population that could care less about you. You do not exist in their vision of freedom and you have no place in the world unless you make it. I'm seeing more and more of it and I see it reflected by some on this board.
They cover it with slime by trite statements like 'I respect all working people' or 'I resent giving MY money to someone else'...they really do not care about you. That was the issue with health care. The core value of health care universally, is equality. That was what the fight was about - equality. Health care reform was only the window dressing this time.
Those who fought against health care reform did so by fighting against equality. When all things rest on the dollar, there is a core segment that believes unless you have those dollars, you are not as deserving of education, housing, food, health care and at the very core of that is their belief that you are less deserving, less desirable because you do not have those dollars.
That is the American vision for a growing number - the Dickens scenario - the workhouses - if you look in the news you will see a headline that the CEO of one of the health insurance companies made $102 million dollars in 2009 - and under that, you will read that NYC is charging the working poor to use their homeless shelters.
And nobody wails about that injustice..........that is what America is becoming. sammieswife.