Respectable People in Hell - A "How To" Guide

by Perry 78 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Open mind
    Open mind

    Perry:

    Open Mind thinks that God will send people to Hell for not loving him.

    No Perry. I mistakenly thought that was your position until you clearly distanced yourself from it on my "Why I'm Going to Hell" thread.

    Still waiting for an answer over there, BTW.

    In the meantime, I'll take a nibble at your question for me on this thread:

    Question for Open Mind: By what moral principle could you condemn someone for lying to you, and yet expect God to do otherwise to you?

    This question contains a big old strawman. You assume that I would "condemn" someone for lying to me. Where did you get that idea?

    I don't like it if someone lies to me, but I don't condemn them. There are even circumstances where I would appreciate being lied to.

    Ass. Fat. Jeans. You get the picture.

    om

  • AllTimeJeff
    AllTimeJeff

    I try not to be emotional about these type of dogmatic things.. but

    When you deal with death, and the prospective death of a family member

    And you learn how short life is

    (and you don't need old scrolls to teach you that)

    To have a thread like this with the dichotemy being, "Hey, you're going to hell.."

    I can only say, "F*ck off"

    But beyond that, nice seeing you again Perry!

  • Perry
    Perry

    Have you ever judged anyone for lying Open Mind? ....Say, in your 12 years as an elder. In other words have you ever judged anyone for anything?

  • Perry
    Perry

    designs,

    Aren't you ever going to be honest with yourself.....

    If God was never to punish evil, that would in fact make him evil....as an enabler of evil. Get it? A God who never punished evil would be the absolute cruelest of all.

    What is it about this statement that would make you and others lose their cool? Isn't this absolute ground zero for theology of any kind? Of what value would any theology be if it did not address this issue? In Jesus Christ, I can face this with confidence, can you? You will face this eventually, as will everyone as surely as the sun will rise tomorrow.

    Now that we are free from all of the Watchtower misdirection that lead us to reject Jesus, this issue can be faced head on, without all the deception. There is no need to fear this issue or run from it.

    You can do it designs!

    May God bless everyone here.

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime
    Now that we are free from all of the Watchtower misdirection that lead us to reject Jesus, this issue can be faced head on, without all the deception. There is no need to fear this issue or run from it.

    Translation: Now that you are free from the Watchtower misdirection, subscribe to my misdirection instead!

    I can only say, "F*ck off"

    Amen. 'Hell' is nothing more than a cheap door-to-door insurance salesman's tactic of using fear to trick people into buying. "You don't want to burn in hell, do you? Well then you better buy my bullshit."

    There is no evidence for hell. There is no evidence for heaven. There is no evidence for God. There is no evidence the bible was written by a god - and every indication it was written by men. Religion doesn't help or advance mankind. It has not made accurate predictions or provided new insights that we can use to make the world a better place. It is a dead end.

    Science, on the other hand, has completely eliminated many diseases, saved billions from starvation, and greatly improved the quality of life for billions of people - and it's just getting started. Everything we have in our daily lives, we have thanks to science. No, we do not live forever, but someday through virtualization of the human brain or some other method that may become a reality. We are already beginning to imagine ways that could be technologically possible someday. Maybe we'll discover we don't want or need to live forever.

    Look around your house, how many of those luxuries would you own without science and technology? Think back to the last time you got sick. Have you ever had a life-threatening condition.. or at least something that 200 years ago would have been life-threatening? I have.

    We are so fucking lucky. All thanks to SCIENCE. Science works, an it gets results in the REAL WORLD (not in some imaginary form after you are dead). If we continue studing the natural laws and how the universe works - it can get even better, for all of us.

    - Lime

  • Open mind
    Open mind
    Have you ever judged anyone for lying Open Mind?

    Nice slide from "condemn" to "judged".

    If by "judged" you mean draw a personal opinion about someone, yes.

    If by "judged" you mean do I think I know what their eternal destiny is, no.

    In my 12 or so years as an elder I heard plenty of BS and plenty of heartfelt contrition in the star chambers of the Kingdom Hall backroom. What was BS and what was genuine was completely my personal opinion.

    Where are you going with this Perry?

    Also, I'm still waiting for an answer on my "Why I'm going to Hell" thread.

    om

  • Perry
    Perry

    Open Mind,

    So if you have formed an opinion about someone who lied, by what possible moral construct could you form a basis to deny God the same device?

    Anyone else care to answer this question?

    By the way, my response is registered regarding your charge that God commands Rape, on your challenge thread.

  • Open mind
    Open mind
    By the way, my response is registered regarding your charge that God commands Rape, on your challenge thread.

    You're confusing me with OTWO.

    As for your first question, once again you slide into a strawman argument.

    Yes I dare to form an "opinion" about a fellow human. They don't melt into oblivion as a result of my opinion. When your God forms an eternal "opinion" about someone, eternal torment hangs in the balance. Quite a difference.

    om

    p.s. Are you ever going to give me a straight answer on my "Why I'm going to Hell" thread?

  • HintOfLime
    HintOfLime

    (This story is fairly disturbing. Pretty much just like the bible.)

    Long ago, in a galaxy far, far away - there was a man named Ted. Ted had a 9 year old son named Bobby. One day, Bobby was playing baseball in the yard and hit a fowl ball - send the baseball crashing through the living room window. Hearing the crash, Ted came out to inspect what had happened.

    "Did you break this window, Bobby?" Ted asked.

    Frightened by his father's anger and inexperienced Bobby defensively replied "no".

    So, Ted took Bobby down into the basement, where he tied him to a chair. Ted poured gasoline all over Bobby, and all over the floor of the basement, scolded Bobby for lying, and then lit a match and dropped it on the floor. Ted closed the door of the basement.

    But magically.. Bobby didn't die.

    50,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years later - long after the sun had burned up all of it's solar fuel, swallowed the planet, and in a giant supernova scattered the remains of the solar system across the universe; and one by one all the stars winked out of existence, until the whole universe was dark... and every day before and after that... Bobby was still screaming in agony.

    Bobby had long since forgotten his name, he had forgotten what baseball was, he had forgotten how to speak. It had been so long since bobby wasn't in constant torment that he had even lost the ability to think. It had been trillions of years since he could formulate the tiniest shred of a thought about that fowl ball that led him here. But now, he no longer had any memory of anything - all he knew anymore was the unending agony of his own burning flesh.

    That morning, the door creaked open. Ted walked into the room, poured a can of gasoline on Bobby, poured some out on the floor, and leaving the room, he lit it on fire.

    - Lime

    PS: It doesn't really matter if Bobby lied, or killed someone, or was Satan himself. The result is the same. At some point, the suffering caused by the 'sinner' is completely dwarfed and forgotten compared to the suffering caused by the torturer. And that is not "justice".

  • designs
    designs

    Ah the delusion Perry, you've moved from one set of beliefs to another set, one Cult to another Cult. One idea about someone named Jesus to another group with their idea about someone named Jesus....only this last one is taught to burn people in Hell. Real nice progress there Bub.

    Some people just can't get off of the religion wagon. There are a lot of Perry's in this would, some are Muslim some are Hindu some are Dark Age Gothic Christians.

    From beating on a log to a man on the moon, we are a fascinating species.

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