Sexual Repression 101. Pure WT Gold: Wednesday's Daily Text.

by Open mind 88 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  notverylikely

  Hey, I know some pretty sexy atheists!

  Thanks! (stop posting in every thead I am looking at. It makes me look stalkerish and I am WAAAAAAAY to lazy for the kind of work that involves)
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  stillajwexelder

  I will just go into my private room and have "One off the wrist in memory of Onan"
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  mindmelda

  LOL, my husband calls that, "Making knuckle babies".

  The best kind, they don't have to be fed until they're 18.
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  yknot

  How can Onan be linked to girls?

  I don't get the connection they can draw?
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  bobld

  Just goes to show you poor advise from the GB/FDS.All the talks,D.C.,C.A.,SAD,young people ask book,questions that don't work.All the shame and repoach on God's ORG and the GB/FDS with all the divorces because these young ones arn't listening.And now the GB puts more blame on these young horny ones.

  I agree with WTW

  Bob
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  Open mind

  Hey there everyone. Been gone all day. I figured there was plenty of raw material here to work with.

  Just for the record, today's bit of "food at the proper time" for the JWN crowd was courtesy of....... MY WIFE!

  She still regularly reads Examining the Scriptures Daily.

  Just not for the same reasons as before her awakening.

  om
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  baltar447

  I won't be able to put the extreme guilt trip about "self 'abuse'" on my kids either. I don't consider that healthy. I will be more balanced about it. I'll read the party line on it, but I'll also say does the bible actually comment on it directly? I just don't want the ridiculous guilt screwing with their heads like it did mine. I finally got over it and realized that birthing some knuckle children keeps me faithful to my wife and not going nuts trying to score some strange. If it keeps them celibate (until marriage) and thus out of trouble(STDs, hurt feelings), hey lesser of two evils.
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  Aussie Oz

  I've already told my 16 yr old boy the real birds and the bees as oposed to the WT wash of it all... and when he gets his drivers licence i just might buy him a pack of condoms. I 'd rather him have safe sex now than dabble around the edges of 'loose conduct' anyway and end up married at 19 thats for sure!

  After marrying at 22 and she at 18, divorcing and starting again, i am a huge advocate of the try before you buy relationship.
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  mindmelda

  Onan's "sin" in Genesis was failing to perform what later was termed "brother in law marriage" which demonstrates it was a Hebrew custom BEFORE the Mosaic law. I love this Biblical story, though, because it demonstrates just what life was like for these really godly folks. Their behavior, totally customary for them, would be considered Jerry Springer show fodder in modern society.

  Onan was Judah's youngest son of three. The oldest had been married to Tamar, but he fell ill and died. The second son was given the duty of getting an heir for his dead oldest brother, so his right of firstborn would remain intact. Very important to Hebrews, so they would allow the widow and her brother in law to have relations and to take her as a wife, but the first child of that union would legally considered older brother's offspring, so he could keep the rights of eldest although dead.

  But, this situation required more unselfishness than many men were inclined to, since it disinherited them and their offspring from the firstborn goodies. You'll remember that Reuben, Levi and Simeon, the eldest three sons of Jacob has already been disqualified from firstborn rights because of breaking the Hebrew laws. Reuben because he raped a concubine of his father's (not a capital offense, but enough to get him disinherited as firstborn), and Levi and Simeon because they avenged the rape of their sister Dinah by killing the males of a whole tribe, which left that tribe not only defenseless, but according to Semitic custom, that would require Jacob as their tribal patriarch to enslave and/or provide for every woman and child left so they wouldn't starve.

  (Proof yet again that some of these laws predated Moses...although as we shall see, the laws about incest were not part of their custom yet).

  Son number two of Judah apparently agreed to perform sex with his brother's widow to beget an heir for him (can you say surrogate mothers which they called concubines and sperm donation which was quite obviously allowed by God to these people although the WTS forbids it now...since they don't mind recommending some other features of Hebrew law, why so squeamish about these ones?) but the man reneged the deal and dies, probably at the hand of his relatives for being a law breaker and a liar, because he agreed then didn't do it. Failing to perform the deed after agreeing is seen as a capital offense.

  Rape isn't always a capital offense for the Hebrews, but failing to have sex with your sister in law which screws your own inheritance wise is, because it's breaking the line of succession, your obligation to the tribe and your word as a man, all seen as of prime importance. Tamar's lack of pregnancy and complaining to Judah about it is the evidence that son number two has "wasted his seed upon the ground" or practicing coitus interruptus, withdrawal before ejaculation, one of the earliest known forms of birth control.

  Anyway, so Onan, the guy who gets the act of masturbation named after him, although he didn't, is compelled to perform brother in law marriage next. He also tries the same trick of coitus interruptus, and , God "smites" him, too.

  Again, probably executed by his cousins and uncles for failing to get his sister in law pregnant so her children can have the firstborn inheritance. No lightening from heaven, just the tribe executing him in the name of God, as he broke what is seen as God's law. When people are "struck down" or "smited" by the wrath of God in the Hebrew scriptures, that's what it means, the tribe executed them in God's name, not that God did it directly, you see.

  Anyway now Tamar is still a widow of the tribe and no brother in laws left. She must get an heir or her worth to the tribe is pretty low and Judah could marry her off to just anyone, or even make her a slave. She has no status,which after being virtually a princess, is pretty undesirable, and besides, she still has the right to bear the heir of the firstborn by being his widow.

  She decides Judah himself must father an heir for himself through her, so pretends to be a prostitute, lures him into sex, and them demands a personal token of his to remember him by. He gives her one, the cord he wears, which has signifies him as tribal patriarch by color or decoration, something like that.

  Smart girl, this will be evidence that he is the father and that the child is Judah's legitimate heir, as he, as next available relative, should have taken her as wife and given her a child. Who knows why he didn't, the Bible is mute on that, but it could be that he blamed her for the death of his three sons.

  Anyway, she becomes obviously pregnant and is dragged up before the judicial committee...I mean, the tribal elders and is about to be stoned for fornicating with some unknown guy, when she produces the cord that identifies Judah himself as the man she had relations with, the man who should have fathered her child and his heir, according to their laws.

  All is forgiven, Tamar gets the status of an honored wife or concubine of a patriarch instead of the fate of a barren widow or slave, and has the twin boys that carry on the line of Judah, and finally become the distant ancestors of Jesus of Nazareth, son of Joseph, of the tribe of Judah.

  Moral of story...if your father asks you to have sex with your sister in law because she needs a child, get it done.

  Then you can get on the Jerry Springer show.
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  WTWizard

  From what I have seen in the Young People Ask--Answers That Do Not Work book is that they claim masturbation causes or leads to homosexuality. What I do not see is any proof of its validity, or any references where I can look it up online and see whether or not it is true. Fact is, homosexuality and masturbation are totally independent of one another.

  Yet another thing I object to in the Young People Ask--Answers That Do Not Work book is their insistence that you should not "test-date" others. This includes things like flirting and getting acquainted with various members of the opposite sex before being serious about marriage. Which also prevents them from knowing whether or not they will work--often, the ones the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger program the "sisters" to favor are potential tyrants.

  I hope each and every one of the members of the Filthful and Disgraceful Slavebugger would end up growing old and dying celibate. Because, that is what they have caused too many others to do--if they don't grow old and die totally celibate, they have their ability to enjoy sex totally impaired. And I hope each and every one of them is as miserable about it as they possibly can be.