Sexual Repression 101. Pure WT Gold: Wednesday's Daily Text.

by Open mind 88 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    When I was in, I was one of the VERY few women who actually like sex. And I was made to feel like a freak because of it.

    True story: My ex was on a fishing trip with a bunch of brothers and they were talking about how they never get sex. He told them he hated it when he was working in the garage and I would want it, and he would have to come in, get cleaned up.....etc. I guess they all sat there for a minute and then one of them said, "You HATE that???????" And another one said, "Your wife ASKS for it????"

    So, even if you are married, god help you if you enjoy sex, that's wrong, too.

    Repressed.....

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    Moments like this day's text and comments help one to see why the Bible should just speak for itself. Paul, in saying this, was offering what was his opinion--he preferred for people to stay single, but he wasn't trying to spook anyone out of marriage. The Society takes it as if it's a near-law and rides it all the way home. First, you're scared of sexual images on TV or wherever, then you're scared of marriage, and then when you get married and have some troubles, you're scared of divorce. (I've experienced all three of those things myself.)

    I think, at the same time, my personal views still end up somewhat leaning towards the Society's, even though my actions probably don't always fall in line with their rules. I do think fornication should be avoided, even though I've been guilty of it myself. Actually it's because I've been guilty of it that I believe it should be avoided. The emotions that can be involved are very powerful--it's just not a good idea to focus on those feelings first. I don't think it's something you just 'get out of your system' or 'get out of the way' before you get into a real relationship. It's the relationship that gives sex meaning to begin with. Otherwise it's just a means of getting some pleasure.

    But then, this is one post-cult issue I still haven't squared away with myself. I think the world is full of a lot of problems that could be avoided if people would keep their feelings under control. We could not entirely avoid AIDS or the similar consequences. But I believe we could improve things if relationships are built around friendship first. When you have that, sex is just icing on the cake. But icing without the cake just isn't as good, if you ask me. I know, nobody asked me...

    I'd be a hypocrite to blast anyone for fornicating or whatever. Knowing just how powerful the sexual feelings are--even more so once you experience intercourse itself--I can see how some might feel more inclined to fornicate and sort of....follow the relationship framework WTWizard made reference to.

    But sure, for teenagers, and for those young adults who aren't mature enough to deal with the consequences, I would say avoid sex as much as possible. It can really mess up your life.

    But I'm a little biased; I grew up with my ultimate goal being the eradication of all sexual desire. It seemed the only logical option, given the Society's teachings. So...guess you have to take those words with a grain of salt.

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    at least once a month have to hear some squirmy discussion about the evils of ninety nine different kinds of sex that people have to go to the Donkey show in Mexico to even see.

    mindmelda that is hilarious.

    ana_dote good analogy. i also had the type of parents who threatened us with removal of privileges for being normal KIDS for crying out loud. I wish I had the mind to tell them what to do with those privileges way back then.

    Cult Classic

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    Sd-7 I'm gonna just ask.......apart from unwanted pregnancies, std's (the obvious downside) how exactly does sex mess up your life?

    I remember this seinfeld episode Jerry's parents ask him why he and Elaine didn't get together. He told them the physical chemistry was off. So they remained friends. I always wondered if the whole sex outside of marriage thing wasn't overblown. I don't see people losing it over sex. I know there are extreme cases but that happens in a marriage if one of them is a lunatic anyway.

    Cult Classic

  • sd-7
    sd-7
    Sd-7 I'm gonna just ask.......apart from unwanted pregnancies, std's (the obvious downside) how exactly does sex mess up your life?

    Well, those are two pretty sizable problems to be dealing with, for one, especially if you're not even an adult yet. But you did say 'apart from' that.

    Perhaps having grown up in a cult environment I did not personally develop well emotionally. But certainly the emotions involved in sexual and romantic feelings can cause a great deal of depression when things don't work out well. As an adult you may be better equipped to face those things, but as a teenager you are facing them while simultaneously facing so many new emotions and desires and plans. Perhaps I'm still in the cult mindset and out of touch with reality on this matter. Or perhaps I never really let go of my hatred of the power sexual desires can have over otherwise logical beings.

    I guess I don't have a good answer other than that. I just think it's irresponsible for teenagers and very young adults (unless they're very able to take care of themselves and a possible child) to be having sex. It's the same as kids playing with matches. It's better to wait awhile until you're in a better position to make big choices in life.

  • Darth plaugeis
    Darth plaugeis

    JW boys are the only kids in this whole wide world that can get Blue Balls from holding hands. That's saying alot.

    no it never happened to me (I was secretly in love with my left hand)

  • cult classic
    cult classic

    Sd-7 - sorry bout that I didn't catch that you were talking about teens/young adults......no your answer was perfect, I initially misunderstood your point

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  • cult classic
    cult classic

    You're absolutely right Darth - "JW boys are the only kids in this whole wide world that can get Blue Balls from holding hands. That's saying alot."

    And JW kids are the only ones who are afraid to hold hands. Remember the youth book and young people ask........

    first you're holding hands, then kissing, then embracing, then having sexual intercourse. By holding hands you set off a chain of events that is impossible to control.........remember that crap!?

    .....or was it embracing then kissing?!

    Cult Classic

  • sd-7
    sd-7

    I remember that--holding hands was considered unacceptable until you were more or less engaged. Perhaps because it seemed so forbidden, it became that much more exciting once it finally happened for me. I didn't have my first kiss until last year, though, at the age of 26, so...but yeah. It all depends.

    The hand-holding and embracing, that happened at...22? Yeah. But no kissing happened for me then.

    But it can become a slippery slope. I'm not sure that holding hands automatically becomes sex or anything like that, but...it's a path. Once you've experienced holding hands for awhile, you want something more. And you get that, you want something more. Until eventually you want sex itself. I think that's a logical statement, but it's probably not logical to expect people who are attracted to each other to have no physical contact at all. For like, several months or a year. It can still be chaste even by WTS standards while allowing for expressions of affection. I just said 'expressions of affection'.

    Forget it. Don't listen to me. I'm halfway still in the Borg with words like that!

  • undercover
    undercover
    sizable problems to be dealing with

    that's what she said...

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