by passwordprotected 69 Replies latest jw friends
Either answer the questions or don't, it's up to you. You're jumping through hoops to avoid the issue;
Pick a side.
Why in the world would I pick an answer in a false dichotomy? BTW, did you stop being beating your wife yet?
When I pick up a bible I see letters and numbers which are codes. Their existence is self evident so no belief is required. What I do not see is God.
This does not mean he does not exist, it means that God cannot be found in the bible, just words and numbers. External evidence is required or I could be duped. There are words that refer to an invisible 'devil' who is ruler of the world? The same logic applies.
None of this makes me an atheist. It simply proves that I am rational and therefore sane.
So you're actually saying that the laws of science are made of matter? Or you're suggesting that it's my responsibility to prove that they are? That's bizarre. Good luck with it!
BTW, did you stop being beating your wife yet?
When was it proven that I'd even beaten her? Again with the loaded questions? Seriously, guys, hanging around this forum is making you flaccid and lazy in your arguments.
Either answer the questions or don't, it's up to you. You're jumping through hoops to avoid the issue;
either all that exists is matter or not
either the laws of logic and maths are unchanging or not
Pick a side.
Either you have stopped beating your wife or not.
BTW, did you stop being beating your wife yet?
When was it proven that I'd even beaten her? Again with the loaded questions? Seriously, guys, hanging around this forum is making you flaccid and lazy in your arguments.
When was it proven that the choices you made available were the only choices available?
When I pick up a bible I see letters and number which are codes.
Woah, when did the Bible come into the discussion?
Rational people may be sane. But they can't explain anything....
When was it proven that the choices you made available were the only choices available?
Either that's profoundly clever - so clever, in fact, that I can't understand it - or it just doesn't make sense. Either all that exists is matter (i.e. things that take up space) or not. The law of excluded middle means that you have to picks a side. And yes, those are the only choices available; either the stuff on this planet that we can pick up and measure, move around and break, is all there is. Or it's not.
And if people here are going to argue cogently, it may be worthwhile avoiding informal fallacies like "when did you stop beating your wife". It's a tired, narrow argument that perhaps reflects the mindset of those who use it. And I mean that with love.
That question presupposes something to have been proven, namely that I beat my wife. Now you're resorting to informal fallacies? How does that strengthen your argument?
Talk about presupposing something to have been proven. Here's yours: Atheists are, by definition, naturalistic materialists; i.e. they believe that only the physical universe exists, only the nature exists therefore there is no supernatural and certainly no God.
Pick a side.
You pick a side. Just as you presuppose so much about atheists, the point is that we are presupposing things about you where there is no reason to answer the question because it doesn't make room for the actual reality:
Passwordprotected, did you stop beating your wife. Please restrict your answer to "Yes" or "No" only.
For the record, I believe that logic and math exist. Also, I believe that love and other feelings exist. So we can spend 5 or 6 pages defining existence and whether concepts and feelings fit the definition. Energy is not matter, but it can be recorded. Does that make it exist?
Such a waste of time. Stop beating your wife and stop presupposing you know what atheists believe. (Oh, belief is a concept that doesn't exist if you are right.)
I went back and re-read your beginning premise.
Let me see if I can try again and clear up the confusion.
Statements about "God" are different than statements about Logic and Math.
How?
Logic connects statements from a Premise to a Conclusion without allowing any contradiction.
Statements about God can be made by any believer and often DO contradict other statements about God by other believers.
We KNOW that 3+3=6 because we can take 3 things and add them to 3 other things and count the result as 6 things.
But we cannot take Judaism's assertion there is only 1 God and demonstrate that Christendom's 3=1 God are the same or that the Hindu
Brahma, Vishnu and Siva are the SAME God as Judaism asserts. You see? No PROOF is possible. It is self-contradictory.
An Atheist sees that non-contradictory demonstrations of God are impossible and the Atheist decides he cannot believe any of it.
A Scientist can demonstrate that 2 parts Hydrogen combined with 1 part Oxygen will ALWAYS demonstrate itself to be water.
A Chinese Math professor will not contradict a Russian Math Professor and neither will contradict a Mexican Math professor BECAUSE math is non-contradictory.
Logic is the same for everybody everywhere. Math and Logic are UNIVERSAL.
God, on the other hand, IS DIFFERENT everywhere you go! Different Holy books, different theologies, different "truths" compete and contradict one another.
God is NOT JUST ONE THING; it is many things to many people AND THEREFORE illogical and contradictory and unworthy of vested belief.
I hope that is clearer than my previous efforts.
Cheers!
I don't believe in atheist, I've never had a person prove to me that they actually exist.
