France to Fine Women Wearing Full-Faced Islamic Veils

by leavingwt 54 Replies latest social current

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    France to Fine Women Who Don Full-Face Islamic Veils in Public

    The French government decided Wednesday to impose a $185 fine on women who wear a full-face Islamic veil in public, pushing ahead with a controversial ban despite signs of tension between France's Muslims and the Christian-tradition majority.

    President Nicolas Sarkozy said his government was forwarding the legislation to parliament because it had a "moral responsibility" to uphold traditional European values in the face of an increasingly visible Muslim population, estimated at more than 5 million, the largest in Western Europe. He called the course chosen by his government "demanding" but "just," and he insisted that the law was not intended to stigmatize the country's Muslims.

    France is one of a number of Western European countries seeking to forbid the full-face veil, called the burqa in Afghanistan and the niqab in North Africa. Belgium's Chamber of Representatives last month approved a nationwide ban, which must now be considered by the Senate. Legislators in several other countries have introduced similar bills, and the Swiss government has vowed to impose a ban administratively.

    The French proposal has drawn heavy support, with up to 60 percent of those questioned in opinion polls saying restraints are necessary. But Muslims here have complained that they feel singled out for a practice that, according to an Interior Ministry estimate, concerns fewer than 2,000 women in a country of 64 million inhabitants.

    The tensions boiled over Tuesday evening during a debate on the law in a Paris suburb with a large Muslim population. Members of the pro-Palestinian Sheik Yassin Movement tried to shout down the speakers, and scuffles broke out, leading to intervention by police officers who were called in by the organizers.

    Last week, a woman wearing a full veil filed a legal complaint against a lawyer who she said insulted her religion in the Atlantic Coast town of Saint-Nazaire, local press reports said. The lawyer, also a woman, filed a counter-complaint, alleging she was beaten by the veil-wearing woman, the reports said.

    Mohammed Moussaoui, head of the government-approved French Council of the Muslim Religion, said recently that 15 mosques have been defaced since the beginning of the year and that Muslim tombs in two cemeteries have been vandalized. In addition, a halal butcher shop was sprayed with automatic weapons fire in Marseille, he said.

    The French legislation approved by the full cabinet is scheduled to come to a vote in the National Assembly in July and in the Senate in September. Sarkozy's conservative coalition has comfortable majorities in both houses.

    The broadly popular measure was expected to draw support from some political figures in the Socialist opposition as well, although the Socialist hierarchy has called for less sweeping legislation. A resolution condemning the full veil as contrary to the values of the French republic passed with an overwhelming majority last week.

    The Constitutional Council, France's highest constitutional court, has issued two opinions warning that the full public ban will be vulnerable to challenge in the courts as an infringement on religious freedom. It also could be challenged in the European Court of Human Rights, the council said. But Sarkozy vowed to move forward anyway, saying the government will have to deal with legal challenges as they arise.

    After six months of what officials described as "pedagogy" to educate the public following the expected Senate approval, the new law would enter into force about a year from now. It would give police the right to demand that women lift their veils to identify themselves. If they refused, police could hold them for up to four hours for an identity check. If cited for wearing the veil, women would be referred to a prosecutor, who could fine them, force them to attend "citizenship classes" or both.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/19/AR2010051901653.html

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    That wouldn't happen in America. It's a rights violation, for starters. Of course, if someone comes into a place of business and visual identification is necessary, like a bank, or an airport, or DMV (of course these kinds of women don't drive anyway) then that would probably trump the burkha.

    BTS

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    Wait a minute - did the original post claim there are 5 million Islamics in France, but also say this affects only 2000 women there?

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    INCENDIARY STATEMENT TO FOLLOW: If the French hadn't contracepted themselves out of existence, they wouldn't have to worry about the Muslims taking over France. What's this "moral responsibility" crap? Contraception is immoral and they aren't putting the brakes on that. And, Burn, (hi, long time!) there was a nun here in the USA who was denied her driver's license because she wouldn't remove her veil for the picture. Got to find that post, it was a couple of years ago.

  • JWoods
    JWoods
    Contraception is immoral and they aren't putting the brakes on that.

    I suppose you have a scripture on this? No?

  • sammielee24
    sammielee24

    I see no problem with it, I'd just make sure it was collectible. No sense in passing a law that means nothing.

    A woman visiting or living in an Arab country, where it is the law, to cover herself, would not be exempt from the laws of that country.

    sammieswife.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    And in the meantime, we crowned a Muslim Miss USA. She is smokin'

    Lebanese women.........

    BTS

  • asilentone
    asilentone

    whoooooooo! whooooooooo! whooooooooooo!

  • JWoods
    JWoods

    Isn't she half Syrian? Or did I read that wrong -

    Making her go around in a burka would indeed by a crime.

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    I think they should make it more of a safety issue.

    I can't remember the exact figures, but there is a startlingly large number of women in burqa-wearing countries who get run over because they can't see to cross the street, get their covering caught in machinery and get set on fire when they get too close to open flames.

    The moral issues speak for themselves......

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit