Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus? (page 5)

not a captive

Dear leavingwt,

Tell me carefully what fellowship extends to and what darkness is as well.

The infection of past expressions and the indoctrination of the WT has damaging effects on my ability to use and understand words. In other words I have to be careful how I think we are communicating.

Just how am I to interact with others? Am I entering "darkness" if I talk with a "non-believer" iwho is not closed to "light"? Am I staying in the "light" if my being with a "believer" embraces "darkness"in a way that I ignore just because they say they are Christian?

Jesus's words (he is the Logos) are written down--but they don't bind us up and and give us spiritual constipation. Even if print nails his words down in black and white they aren't the polarizing "dark" and "light" that kill. They give life. They live freely, it seems to me. He invited thought, he did not teach dogma.

I'm having to reevaluate my own vocabulary. So I'm really not quibbling with you.

I'm just trying to rethink my Christianity.

I'm struggling to be an intelligent Christian who obeys Christ.

leavingwt

Tell me carefully what fellowship extends to and what darkness is as well.

I have the same questions. I don't know the answers.

Deputy Dog

PSAC

We are all God's children, even those that reject him...

Who told you that? Jesus never taught that.

snowbird

Deputy is right.

Not all are God's children - nor do all want to be His.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11 He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12 Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13 children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God. NIV

Syl

THE GLADIATOR

snowbird

I like the idea that even a sinful gladiator can be a child of the Christian god.

I have room for one more god in my collection.

PSacramento

Who told you that? Jesus never taught that.

Not all want to be, this is true, but God does view us all as his children, if not in "reality", in potential.

2Peter 3:9

9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Now, there is a distinction between those that accept Jesus and receive Jesus, as Sylvia points out from that Verse in GOJ, but I for one will NOT play judge for God "will show favour to whom he shows favour" and I have no doubts in my mind that, like Jesus said, many will be surprised as to WHO is at the Lord's table with him when the time comes.

Do you believe that Jesus would turn his back on those that don't believe because they have been so hurt, so destroyed by religion?

Do you believe that Jesus would turn his back on those that don't believe because His message was perverted?

Do you believe that jesus would tune his back on those that never received his message?

I can go on, but I think I made my POV understood, I hope I have.

exjdub

If someone is righthanded, and they throw a right cross (since most people are righthanded, this is a logical presumption), what cheek are they going to hit? The left. If someone is righthanded, and strikes your right cheek, what have they done? A backhanded and insulting slap. The issue here is not about pacifism in the face of all violence, but pacifism in the case of violenece done to a believer as an insult to his beliefs.

The problem with people, like the ones that produced this video, is that they have no idea about context, and are reading the words in a wooden fashion that does not account for the historical and grammatical context.

And that's the problem with Christianity XJW. You have to put your own interpretation on what Jesus supposedly said, to make your construct work. The problem is that you can't presume anything and your spin is just that...your spin. By the way, if you, or anyone else for that matter, could please point to one scripture that Jesus wrote to inform his followers of his intent, please send it my way.

exjdub

PSacramento

And that's the problem with Christianity XJW. You have to put your own interpretation on what Jesus supposedly said, to make your construct work.

That is the STRENGTH of Christianity, the PERSONAL relationship we all have with God and our Lord Jesus.

debator

The meaning of hyperbole usage in Jesus's words is totally lost on those so-called rational thinkers of that video.

Hyperbole (pronounced /ha?'p?rb?li/ , [ 1 ] from ancient Greek ?περβολ? 'exaggeration'), is a rhetorical device in which statements are exaggerated. It may be used to evoke strong feelings or to create a strong impression, but is not meant to be taken literally.

Deputy Dog

PSac

2Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

Sorry bud, but that's pretty lame. I don't see anything close to "We are all God's children, even those that reject him..." in that passage. You just avoided the question.

Do you believe that Jesus would turn his back on those that don't believe because they have been so hurt, so destroyed by religion?
Do you believe that Jesus would turn his back on those that don't believe because His message was perverted?
Do you believe that jesus would tune his back on those that never received his message?

Do you believe Jesus/God is so powerless that he doesn't control the circumstances of His Children?

From my POV, you see Jesus/God as either, weak and can't control the circumstances of the lives of his children, or so unloving he doesn't care. Where is your faith?

Gladiator

I'm sure there are many "sinful gladiators" and sinful Deputy Dogs in the family of faith.

Why do all intelligent Christians disobey Jesus?

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