For Perry: There was no global flood, so stop looking for Noah's Ark

by BurnTheShips 100 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  OnTheWayOut

  What about Jesus? Is he a liar too?
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  rocketman

  The Flood not being global or being a story doesn't make Jesus (or Peter) a "liar", any more than his relating the Rich Man and Lazarus story would make him a liar. We all know there was no "Rich Man" and no beggar named Lazarus. We also can easily see the exaggeration (hyperbole) in the parable. But unless you believe in a place of fiery torment, you know that this whole story is just a contrivance that Jesus used to make a point. And even if you do believe in a place of fiery torment, this is still just a story.
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  Perry

  rocket man chooses C (see above)

  Similarly, Jesus did not use peoples'names in parables. The account in Luke about Hell uses real names. The WT would have us believe that Jesus warned people about a ficticious place and deceived people for 2000 years until ole Russel could get Jesus straightened out.

  There were no Watchtowers available to change Jesus words when he said them. He meant it for people to believe, and so they did.

  PSacramento,

  Jesus does NOT mention a GLOBAL flood, Jesus simple mentions that all the people that were around Noah, all of them died.

  And yet, this is what the scriptures that his audience read clealy stated and what his audiece clearly believed.
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  just n from bethel

  "Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation."

  Here is the rule for writing an irrefutable prophecy.

  1) Make Outlandish claim about the future

  2) Make another claim that people won't believe your first claim.

  3) Sit back and observe followers proclaim "ha ha! see - you're not believing - so this must be true!"
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  cantleave

  Jesus wasn't a liar, just ignorant. Just a man reflecting the views of his time.
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  Perry

  Bethel,

  Here is the rule for writing an irrefutable prophecy.

  1) Make Outlandish claim about the future

  2) Make another claim that people won't believe your first claim.

  3) Sit back and observe followers proclaim "ha ha! see - you're not believing - so this must be true!"

  Your model doesn't fit the facts. The Noah account was thousands of years older than Jesus' ministry and was accepted in general form by cultures in every geographic region of the globe. ....until now, just as predicted.

  Those are facts and cannot be changed no matter how badly you would like to.
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  PSacramento

  And yet, this is what the scriptures that his audience read clealy stated and what his audiece clearly believed.

  That is debatable, but not worth arguing about.
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  designs

  errr except by the Jewish culture that wrote the story as an Allegory.

  '40 days and 40 nights' twang twang, sorta has the makings of a Courty Western song don't ya think
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  TTWSYF

  Designs wrote

  You must go one the assumption that the words of Matthew 24 were actually spoken by a young Jewish man in the 1st Century living in Palestine. Without the originals, and knowing the early Bishops edited, added texts and dialogue and snipped here and there you have a basic issue of belief versus academic and archeological criticisms. You believe the story contained in certain manuscripts for the 4th century on. We understand, we did to. Trying to promote and convert people to the Baptist mindset isn't a good idea. If you want to promote the Golden Rule you would find more in agreement.

  I think it was Justin Martyr who talked about not getting hung up on the Filioque and miss doing good to your fellow humans each day.

  If you really believed that, then you must be quite upset about going to peoples houses for years and preaching the good word, God's word only to find out that it was not God's word, it has been tampered with. If I believed that, I would not be promoting the bible to anyone and certainly would not be a Christian [or JW for that matter]. As far as Justin Martyr goes, I doubt that you have ever read any of his [3 complete works] as he unequivically states that Jesus is God. Sure, he does call Jesus 'King, and Priest, and God, and Lord, and angel and captian, and stone, and Son' Dialogue with Trypho the Jew pg34. In Greek angel is angelos which is accurately translated as messenger and Jesus could indeed be the messenger of his Father's will. He knew Jesus as God and his works reflect that truth.

  respectfully,

  dc
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  Perry

  OTWO,

  How about this reasoning:

  

  Or this one:

  Or this one:

  Do you really want to go there?