Who really is Michael the Archangel? (page 13)

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Not a problem if Jesus left his divine position and became flesh as in a perfect man. As you indicate yourself Nephilim type characteristics is what you would get if Jesus were a "God man".

Actually that would only be true if God and Angels were the same things. In the WT's view Michael would fit the biblical definition of a fallen (cast down) angel.

Jude 1:9
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

He is the only archangel in the Bible with specific named dealings with Satan.

My reply: Yet the fleshly, 'emptied' Jesus dared to rebuke the devil many times...telling him "Go away Satan"

Debator said:

Revelation 12:7
And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.

In the Great battle in heaven it is Michael and his Angels that fights Satan and his Angels casting them out of heaven. Wow! who is this michael?

My reply:

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She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. 5 Her child was caught up to God and his throne.

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The woman herself fled into the desert where she had a place prepared by God, that there she might be taken care of for twelve hundred and sixty days. 6

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7 Then war broke out in heaven; Michael 8 and his angels battled against the dragon. The dragon and its angels fought back,

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but they did not prevail and there was no longer any place for them in heaven.

Michael is a powerful angel...the previous verses establish the presence of Jesus...verse 7 is introducing a person other than Jesus, the one caught up to God and his throne.

isaacaustin

Finally Debator, I would also wonder why (if Jesus were actually Michael the archangel) that Paul never refers to the risen Jesus as Michael...but always Jesus.

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In the WT's view Michael would fit the biblical definition of a fallen (cast down) angel.

Michael a fallen angel? You are making no sense and I could care less what the WT's view is. Using the Nephilim example, from a biological/genetics point of view Jesus was completely human while on earth........not a God man.

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Baptist theologian John Gill on Michael the Archangel being Jesus Christ www.temcat.com/10-Spiritualism/ArchangelMichael-Jude_9.pdf

The camps are always split on the same exact Verses, that's the interesting point..........

The HG left the building...

RubaDub

I bet his friends call him Mike.

Rub a Dub

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I bet his friends call him Mike.

He is the Archangel currently known as the "Prince of Peace".

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tec

Isaac makes a good point. Wouldn't the jews at the time, Paul especially, have determined if Jesus was Michael and said it somewhere?

tammy

designs

You mean St. Paul who Pope Benedict XVI says is buried in the Basilica............

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Isaac makes a good point. Wouldn't the jews at the time, Paul especially, have determined if Jesus was Michael and said it somewhere?

Paul and othe Bible writers "said" what they were "inspired" to write. The inspired scriptures make it clear that Jesus can be identified with Michael the Archangel. This is acknowledged by prominent theologians of major Protestant denominations.

The same thing could be ask, "wouldn't the Jews at the time, Paul especially, have determined if Jesus were a 3rd person of a Trinity Godhead and said it somewhere?"

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Who really is Michael the Archangel?

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