Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY) (page 5)

brotherdan

Thanks for all the advice (from everyone).

I totally understand where Stephen is coming from. And I see where a lot of others are coming from as well. I could never go in field service again and preach the lies that I have been told.

I have made it clear to my family that I do not believe in the organization anymore. I have confessed Jesus. However, I could watch the sinking ship go down while I'm free and safe on my life raft, or I could try to help my family get off the ship, even if that meant getting back on the sinking ship to show them the way out. It would be easy for me to stand up and say to my family "This is wrong and I reject it all. And you can come with me or leave. It's your choice!" Or I could try to be a little more loving and understand that sometimes it takes time to free yourself from the clutches of this cult.

So would God punish me for trying to help my family out? Would he punish me for reading the Bible, accepting Jesus in my heart, praying for the Holy Spirit, but still going to meetings so as to be there for my wife when/if she sees the truth about this organization?

Stephen, I would love nothing more than to associate with like minded Christians. Believe me. It hurts to be alone in this. There is a church by my home that posts their sermons online, and they are amazing. I would love to go and be around them. Instead I am going to meetings and being judged by people (including my wife, mother, father, etc...) because of seeing the faults of this organization. Why would I ever choose that? I do not go in service and I will never try to preach the JW gospel again. It IS a different gospel. But it's a gospel that I DO NOT believe.

I TOTALLY agree with Mad Sweeny on this issue. There is a tendency for Christians to sometimes become exclusive as to what must be believed for salvation. Jesus did not say that going to a church or not going to a church would lead to salvation. Mad Sweeny brought out Romans 10:9-13. It's our belief in Jesus that is required for salvation. 1John 5:1 shows it's our belief in Jesus that makes us sons of God.

That being said, wannabefree brought up a good point about hypocrisy. I'm not pretending to go along with anything. I do not comment at the meetings. I am not in the school. I do not go in service. All of my coworkers know that I do not believe in this anymore. I have kept this hidden from the elders so as to protect my family life for now. And that's my struggle I guess. Where do you balance love and a desire to help your family with your love of Jesus?

leavingwt

brotherdan: It's not a race. You didn't get into the WT overnight and nobody expects you to get out, overnight. Moreover, you OWE it to yourself and to your family to make informed decisions. This takes time. Please hang in there.

Think About It

Stephen, I would love nothing more than to associate with like minded Christians. Believe me. It hurts to be alone in this. There is a church by my home that posts their sermons online, and they are amazing. I would love to go and be around them.

Send Stephen the website and HE will determine for you if the beliefs are OK with HIS Jesus.

Think About it

PSacramento

I think that there is a reason why only God and Jesus can judge who will be/is worthy of salvation, only they know what is in the hearts of men and THAT will be the deciding factor, regardless of professed religion or lackthereof.

Chalam

brotherdan I just wanted to say once again it is great to have you here :)

Until you find a physical church this might be useful http://www.extremeprophetic.com/index.php/web-church

Any reason why they haven't disfellowshipped you for apostasy already?

Blessings,

Stephen

brotherdan

Because I haven't felt the need to go up to some men that have little if any interest in my salvation and tell them that I believe 100% differently than they do. I believe in coming to Jesus for salvation, not an organization. I believe that Jesus is my mediator. I believe that Jesus ressurected his own body from the dead. I believe that he is the only name under heaven in which I can be saved. I believe that slavation come from Him alone. If I told them these things, would that make 1 ounce of difference to them? Or would it just give them reason to destroy my family because of not believing that men in NY have the ultimate authority to tell me if I am saved or not?

I believe in salvation through grace and grace alone. If God forknew me from the beginning of the world, then he knows that I love Him with all of my heart and soul and that I want nothing more than for me and my family to serve Him. He can see that that is my 1 true desire. If my salvation depends on my going to a specific church or not sitting at a meeting for a few hours a week, then I am already condemned. I just want my family to experience the blessings that I have experienced. I have gotten to know some fine Christians that I have no doubt are saved. They are not JWs and they are awaiting their reward. I am in a different possition, Stephen. I am lost. I am confused. I want to stand up and say "This is not right! You are all supporting THE false prophet!!!" But will that push my family away from truth? I don't know.

I would give up my own salvation for the salvation of my family. Whether that be right or wrong, it is what it is. If I knew that my wife and kids would go to heaven even though I sacrificed my own salvation, I would die happy. Go could punish me in Hell. But while I would suffer, I would have the comfort in knowing that my wife and my kids were with Jesus.

Please don't comment on this if you are Atheists. I have had enough of people trying to destroy my faith. I don't think anyone knows how weak I am at this point.

tec

You can be weak, BD - if that's all you're capable of just now. Let Jesus be strong for you. Whenever I feel weak, or have a doubt, I only need to think about Him - about what he taught and that He believed - and its like taking a long and relaxing breath.

Tammy

brotherdan

Then why, when I am weak do I think, "I have made a horrid mistake"? While I am trying to get out of a cult, I have insensitive people badgering me about the Bible. I'm sorry, everyone. I believe in the Bible. It is my only anchor. I can see that men do not have the answer. If I cannot believe that God does not have the answer, where else do I go? I love Jesus with all of my heart. And you guys can think I'm an idiot for believing this. But this is one thing that I will NEVER give up. God's Word is the only thing I have to hold on to. You can hold on to your evolutionist theories, and if that is good enough for you, then great. But it will never be good enough for me.

tec

BD - For what its worth, I don't think you're an idiot for believing in the inerrancy of the bible. And I think this is one of those times where Christians can disagree about things without saying 'well, if you don't think like me, you're not a real Christian and you're not going to be saved.'

I believe in Christ. I his death and resurrection. I believe the love and mercy and forgiveness that he taught, and that is what I try to live my life after. And I love Him, as you do, with all my heart. He is my strength.

I believe we think the same on this last matter - which is the 'more important parts of the law.'

Forgive me if I'm being presumptuous here.

Tammy

tec

Then why, when I am weak do I think, "I have made a horrid mistake"?

Normal. Normal. Normal.

Give yourself some time, Dan.

Tammy

Do you believe the "Conscious Class" will be saved? (CHRISTIANS ONLY)

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