Okay, this whole issue can be solved now that I am here to comment. I cannot read 5 or 6 pages of bickering here. I will get straight to the point after skipping that and jumping right in at the end with comments on the opening post.
Why is it, dear OTWO, that when you post a thread and others comment back and forth it's merely an "intellectual" discussion, but when someone with whom you don't agree does... and there is discussion... it is "bickering"? Again, I don't think I've ever run into a professed Atheist who SO mirrors the hypocrisy of the WTBTS. You may be fooling your fellow non-believers, but you're not fooling everyone, dear one.
"We" who disagree with AGuest must realize that she makes the rules.
If that were the case, then you would have done well to stay out of my post. Yet, here you are... disputing that very thing. Your ears... and heart... cannot tolerate what I share. Yet, I don't think I've started or posted to a thread of great substance in several months where you haven't made an appearance. I'm starting think you're a bit of a "stalker". Or MAYBE... you're just another closet "Nicodemus"…presenting one face in front of your peers… while trying to sneakily garner information. Again, I ask you: what are you LOOKING for?
If the scriptures fit, they prove her point. If they don't fit, then they are writings of men in error.
The points are not mine, dear OTWO. Wait… okay… seriously. Do you SERIOUSLY think I, a simple person, no better, wiser, smarter, or different than you or anyone else REALLY know these things? I don’t even READ the Bible. I simply state what my Lord tells me. If there HAPPENS to be something written that supports it – WHOO-HOO! GOOD for those who need to see it in writing! If there happens to be something written that my Lord tells me is FALSE… what, am I supposed to be “like” the “theologians” and come up with some smarmy justification? Just because I have no other argument than that the Bible is the “word of God” (which it isn’t)… and so inspired of God (which it isn’t)… and so we MUST accept everything written in it?
Heck, even YOU can’t explain the “contradictions,” dear OTWO. Nor can I. But my Lord can… and does. You are on this tangent because I rejected, based on what my Lord said to ME… and taught when HE was in the flesh… that one man can literally own another. I stand by what I stated… and that I received it from my Lord.
Note, he didn’t say anything for… or against… homosexuality, either. Didn’t condemn a single soul. Didn’t even bring it UP (along with slavery). Yet, he brought up a whole lot of others things. Paul (?) however, did bring it up. Along with removing people… which my Lord NEVER taught… and judging people… which my Lord said NOT to do… and women being in subjection to men… which is stated NOWHERE else in the Bible. And I say Paul with a question mark because MY understanding is that due to the FALSE stylus of the copyists… the SCRIBES… whose conduct my Lord DID address… there’s a WHOLE lot of “stuff” in the “Bible”… that was NEVER in the Law… NEVER in the Prophets… NEVER taught or even addressed by God OR my Lord… and yet, are taught at law and “gospel.”
Now, I am SORRY that you spent so much of your life following a false prophet. But that no more God’s fault than the bitterness, anger, and chagrin you carry around with you now.
Afterall, the Holy Ghost or whatever whispered it in her ear.
The Holy Spirit, yes. Whispered... well, I guess you can say that. I mean, his voice is rather low and soft. In my ear? Not so much...
How can we trump that unless we make up some story that the Holy Ghost said "Nuh-huh, that's wrong" ?
Hey, IF he told you something, I would be the first to praise JAH. If you make it up, though, well… I mean it is yours to do. Just don’t get all whiney when someone who really HAS received from the Spirit addresses it and exposes your error.
Little babies are born into sin.
That is not accurate, dear OTWO. They are conceived in sin. Know why? Because their parents are sinFUL. They are sinFUL… because they reside in vessels that are full of sin… and death. So, the flesh the baby inherits FROM its parents come swith sin… and therefore death… already IN it.
While it ain't their fault that they have birth defects
The fault is Adham’s. It is the flesh HE passed on…
or crack mamas
That is the mama’s fault… and sometimes the grandmama’s (so many of the drug addicts and alcoholics in this world are the children of undiagnosed drug addicts/alcoholics… who were the offspring drug/alcohol users/abusers… who were the offspring of the same. It has only been in the past generation (i.e., past 40 years) that this the CURRENT revelation as to addicts/alcoholics came to light. But earthling man has been abusing “spirits” and “pharmakia” of ALL sorts… for millennia. And while the sins of the father may not be accounted to the son… the sin IN the father’s flesh… or mother’s… may well have been passed on.
God has the built-in excuse that they were "born into sin."
No, WE have the excuse… unlike spirit beings.
That means that they would grow up to choose sin, so if they are killed then it ain't His fault.
I'm sorry - if someone CHOOSES anything… and are killed as a result, how is it anyone else’s fault? True, someone else might feel responsible, but that doesn’t make it their fault.
Of course it doesn't matter if they were killed at the flood or the plagues of Egypt (did they really happen- what does the Spirit say?) or in the wars of men.
Actually, it does matter: if because of the first two, it was due to a righteous act. Because God is righteous. He has NEVER committed an act of Unrighteousness. If because of the third, then it was due to an unrighteous act… for the wars of men are never righteous.
Sinful babies are sinful babies.
Sinful babies are only sinful… because their flesh… the vessel that they reside in… is full of sin. As indicated by sickness, aging… death.
And any children who were raped in those righteous wars recorded in the Bible right after the people fighting for Yahweh killed their parents- born into sin. They got it coming. They should have chosen not to be born at all if they had to be born into sin.
Raping children is an unrighteous act, dear OTWO… and, therefore, could NOT have been sanctioned by the Most Holy One of Israel. And while I don’t know of any such account in the Bible, I can say to you that it being in the Bible does not make it right…sanctioned by God… or even true.
I know that the Devil has actually killed far less people than the God of the Bible, but that ain't God's fault.
Than the god of the Bible, yes. I absolutely agree. Given the Bible’s contradictions, then, the divisions it’s caused among mankind, the lives that have been lost in obeisance to it, the venerable worship of IT… how can you say… how can ANYONE say… that the Most Holy One of Israel would have anything to do with compiling such a book… let along calling it His word???
Of course, God sent his son to die and suffer.
He did. Glad to see you got that one right...
Granted, if the story were true...
The account is true... and you believe it is. Or else, you would be SO angry. Unless... you're crazy??? Cause only a crazy person would be mad at someone who doesn't even exist...
Jesus' suffering could not be compared to a child's rape (or even an innocent man in prison being raped for that matter).
And how could you know that? How do you not know that some of these were in fact “healed” by him, even freed? You don’t. Because not everything he did was written. You do NOT know, therefore, whether he took away some child’s pain and torture of rape… both physically AND mentally… by doing as he did for others: taking such into his OWN flesh. You don’t know… because it isn’t “in the Bible.”
Jesus' suffering was undeserved. He was not "born into sin."
It was undeserved, but not because he wasn’t born into sin. He was. God sent him in the likeness of sinFUL flesh… not sinLESS flesh. So, he was born into the exact same “condition” as we are. And while it may have been undeserved (it was OUR sins he carried)… it was necessary. Indeed, he LEARNED OBEDIENCE… BY the things he suffered.
So it trumps cancer and fire-bombings of so-called innocents.
If you think my Lord didn’t have cancer in his flesh… you are sadly mistaken. He took EVERY sort of infirmity into his flesh. That is WHY he was so disfigured. It wasn’t because they lashed him. 30 lashes doesn’t disfigure a man. He was DISFIGURED… because of all of the SIN… “corruption”… he took into HIS flesh… when he cleansed others. And he TOOK such corruption… because he WANTED to. Unlike you and me, who would hesitate if asked to take another’s common cold…
It trumps birth defects of babies…
Please see above…
Or serial killing of children…
There no serial killers during my Lord’s day in the flesh. Such criminals are fairly modern as a result of men “advancing from bad to worse.”
or even killing them at Armageddon.
I have to refrain myself from laughing here… because obviously, YOU are still hanging on the WTBTS notion of “Armageddon.” Yet, you claim not to velieve ANY of it! Not only is their teaching… and its timeline... false… but the word doesn’t even OCCUR in the Bible.
None of them are/were innocent, well .... except Jesus.
The ONLY time a child may have died as a result of something said/done by the Most Holy of Israel was when justice required the sins of the father/mother to come upon the child. That hasn’t been the case, however, for… well, eons…
So a very very very short period of suffering for innocent Jesus, despite him knowing it would only be very very very short and knowing he would then be king of kings, says it all.
Yes, but what he took on in those few years, the rest of us couldn’t handle in ten lifetimes.
Okay, it's all settled.
I would say so, now... yes... it's all settled. At least, as to this matter.
On to the next question.
Please. Bring it. And I will respond then, too, if my Lord directs and permits.
And again, peace to you
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
