by asilentone 137 Replies latest jw friends
Not all Latinos are considered "White"; however, SPANISH people are "White," period.
Just wanted to add one thing, being ethnically Spanish does not necessarily mean you are going to be vary pale in color, especially in the south of the country. You could be Spanish and look no different from a North African.
BTS
however, SPANISH people are "White," period. In all the world. They are Europeans
Ignorance is bliss I guess? Again how's that Ivory Tower and prissy, pedantic personality working out for you?
I really do not give a crap about your "references", because you lack cultural awa
reness.
As far as Mestizos having an option to select "Native American" rather than "white" on any statement of race in the United States is NOT an option. Once the "Hispanic" box is checked, then the only options are "black" or "white". Neither one is correct.
As far as your absurd statement that there are "No Black Spanish People" Well may I present Spanish Moors? Think slave -trade sponsored by the Spaniards and Portuguese which produced a black race in Europe.
Enrich yourself, read "Othello" and "The Merchant of Venice" to learn more about this subject about which you are sadly ignorant.
Ignorance is bliss I guess? Again how's that Ivory Tower and prissy, pedantic personality working out for you?
What the...??? What ARE you speaking of, dear MS (peace to you!)?
I really do not give a crap about your "references", because you lack cultural awareness.
Well, okay, if you say so.
As far as Mestizos having an option to select "Native American" rather than "white" on any statement of race in the United States is NOT an option.
You are in error, dear one:
Once the "Hispanic" box is checked, then the only options are "black" or "white". Neither one is correct.
That could be, but it's not so in our database... and I don't think it is in the fed's database either (but I could be wrong). Those aren't the only databases, so you could be correct. I don't understand your.... ummmm.... "anger"... at to these issues, however, because the thread didn't address either mestizos OR latinos. It asks whether "SPANISH people"... vs. Spanish SPEAKING people... can recite the alphabet.
As far as your absurd statement that there are "No Black Spanish People" Well may I present Spanish Moors? Think slave -trade sponsored by the Spaniards and Portuguese which produced a black race in Europe.
First, I cannot find where I stated there are "No Black Spanish People." If I did, that was an error and I sincerely apologize. I DID find where I stated:
SPANISH people are "White," period. In all the world. They are Europeans... all of whom are considered white (unless they are of African or other descent.) Empasis mine.
Thus, I am WELL aware that there are "Black Spaniards." Indeed, I am understanding that the Portuguese are actually a combination of Spanish and Moor. So, we do not disagree there.
Enrich yourself, read "Othello" and "The Merchant of Venice" to learn more about this subject about which you are sadly ignorant.
I actually studied the Bard's works in school: elementary, high... and in Theater 114 as an undergrad. So, I am a little familier with his works. In addition, I saw both movies. Albeit, I couldn't sit through the scene in Othello where he kills Desdemona - I had a serious "crush" on Laurence Fishburne at the time and just couldn't handle it (my ex and Mr. Fishburne SO resembled each other at the time that my ex's nickname among the JWs we associated with was "Bumpy Johnson" - our last name was "Johnson" - and he is even mentioned by that name on one such [now ex] JW's CD in the acknowledgements...). I digress.
I am not sure just how I offended you, dear MS, other than to say that I do not perceive dear ASO's comments as racist, but certainly bigotry. Which isn't any better actually. The first denotes a derision... even contempt, in some instances... based on another's race. This particular thread, however, given dear ASO's "comments" seemed to ME to be more of one of national origin. I based that on the title... and dear ASO's comments.
So, while I understand how YOU and some others might take offense... and I did state that at the outset... my position is that such "offense" is based on the wrong thing. It WAS offensive, even bigoted. Even discriminatory. But not on the basis of race.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SA
Greetings, dear ASO... and may you have peace!
While I did not take your post as racist (ummm... her "race" is "white", albeit hispanic), I have to agree that it is somewhat bigoted, on a couple/few levels... although perhaps merely nothing more than a [very] poor attempt to ask whether someone of another national origin might be illiterate (and that does appear to be the case). It is easy to see why it may have been offensive to some; however, I do get that you most probably would have the same concern (illiteracy), regardless of the woman's national origin.
What concerns me MORE is your comment that:
She does look very good, but I am not sure if we are compatible. Wait and see.
First, looks can be deceiving, dear one. In addition, it is merely an affectation... as is hearing. Meaning, "she" could very well conclude that YOU are deficient because YOU do not hear audibly. Wouldn't THAT be sad, however, given that you are as good as anyone else... regardless of the limitations of your flesh? But then you follow that with:
I think I would prefer someone that is more intelligent than that.
Intelligence has little to do with literacy, dear one. There are HIGHLY intelligent people who can't read. True, many of them become criminals, but they aren't stupid, per se. Also, there are very literate people... who aren't intelligent. Not by a long shot. Just because someone can recognize a few letters, even strung together to make words, phrases, sentences, etc., doesn't mean they COMPREHEND what those symbols are communicating.
I think the comments from the others may have given you pause and reason to think on what you posted. But I would ask you to take it a step further and ask yourself WHY. Why did YOU feel that this woman was, in ANY way... "inferior"... to you... or anyone else... simply because she may not be able to read... yet. Or that if she didn't "look good," you would have counted THAT against her, as well.
Because that IS what you've communicated to us, here.
I bid you peace.
A slave of Christ,
SA
It hurt my eyes to read that missive from the slave of Christ.
Well may I present Spanish Moors?
Moors were not black for the most part. They were North African.
They did not arrive in Spain through the slave trade.
They arrived by conquest in the 8th century.
BTS
Fascinating what you can find online:
Although scholars generally agree that the word Moor is derived from Mauri, there are profound disagreements among history authors on what the word originally meant and how it was applied. Philip K. Hitti, author of History of the Arabs, contends that the term Moor has a geographic designation meaning Western. He wrote.“The Romans called Western African Mauretania and its inhabitants, Mauri (presumably of Phoenician origin meaning ‘Western’) whence [the] Spanish Moro [and the] English Moor. The Berbers, therefore, were the Moors proper, but the term was conventionally applied to all Moslems of Spain and North-western Africa.”
Some historians described the Berbers as war-like, nomadic and a predatory population stretching from the borders of Egypt to Morocco, and often lived on the borders of the desert and at the foot of mountains.
Further research reveals the Moors were not all of Arab and North African mixed blood as many historians report, many of them were black. According to Ivan Van Sertima, associate professor of African studies at Rutgers University, Black Moors were in every corner of Europe. “Most people do not know that the peoples called Berbers by the classical Greek and Roman historians were black and affiliated with the then contemporary peoples of the East African area.”
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The “Moorish” people, as the blacks were described in the pre-Islamic era, were noted for their skin color by such descriptive phrases as “black as melted pitch” and “blacker than ink,” quoted by Van Sertima in his book Golden Age of the Moor. In certain well-known European epics and histories, the phrase “black as a Moor” was used from Roman times until the Middle Ages. During the Middle Ages, masqueraders used to blacken their faces, so they might better pass as Moors.
Westerners choose to concentrate on the most recent world of the Arab and Berber-speaking peoples as if it is a world that has always been. The story of when North Africa was Moorish and Arabia (land of Saracens) has yet to be told.
http://www.suite101.com/content/identifying-the-ethnicity-of-the-moors-a117835
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/28/obituaries/28snowden.html
Josie, a kinsman of mine examined that very topic, and wrote three books about his findings.
Syl
1st thread ever on JWN to incorporate "Moor" and "Boor".
Well played, my negros!
***** SIGH*****
Obviously, ASO was interested in this chic enough to ask the question......... so he hasn't any racist intent.
If you have read enough of his postings, this is nothing out of the ordinary, this is how he discerns things sometimes...... better to ask the question than to assume wrongly out of pride of not asking.....
Don't go making a mountain out of a grain of sand.....
Besides to meet ASO's standards the girl probably looks like Spanish actress Paz Vega.....(and knowing him he will be more than happy to school her some .....well until he runs into the next girl who strikes his fancy)
Well done my negros!
In your righty-tighty dreams, toubob!
Syl
