Can Spanish people recite the alphabet???

by asilentone 137 Replies latest jw friends

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Fascinating what you can find online:

    Mrs Jones, DNA analysis of medieval Iberian Moorish remains show only a small contribution from sub-saharan haplogroups.

    That is worth a great deal more than historical interpretation.

    It is also more scientifically valid than afrocentric historical revisionism.

    In other words, there weren't many black people in Spain during the period of Islamic domination.

    They were mostly Berbers, with a largish Arabic contingent.

    "Moor" came to be used to describe Muslims in general, and people of darker skin, whether or not they were what we today call "black."

    Even ethnic Spaniards of that time, if they were Muslim, were called "Moros."

    When Spain took the Philippines as a colony, the Muslim part of the population to the south were called "Moros." This isn't because they were darker skinned than the others.

    Today, Spanish, we call black or black-mixed, or dark skinned people "moreno."

    It isn't limited to black people.

    I've seen Mexican personal documents, where someone of darker skin due to native ancestry has their skin color described as "tez morena."

    Here is a reference for you:

    http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/berber-and-arab-dna-in-europe-from-the-moorish-occupation/

    Unfortunately I can’t find the diagrams for this piece. This shows a larger Arab and Berber than the other study I’ve seen into this. I shall have to have another look at it. Notably, for all you Afrocentrists who think Moors were black Africans, there are only Arab and Berber Y chromosomes found. Sub Saharan ancestry only shows up at trace in these studies.

    BTS

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Josie, a kinsman of mine examined that very topic, and wrote three books about his findings.

    This is fascinating. Yes, the modern idea of race did not exist in those times.

    “It’s probably one of the most important bodies of work out there in terms of getting people to understand that people of African descent inhabited the entire globe at all periods of historical time,”

    Yes, indeed. If I recall correctly, one or two of the early Popes were called "black popes." They were from Africa.

    BTS

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Yep, he was one of the super-achiever Snowdens.

    My dad's legacy was alcoholism.

    Syl

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    Victor (183-203 A.D.), Gelasius (492-496 A.D.), and Mechiades or Militiades (311-314 A.D.)

    Syl

  • its_me!
    its_me!

    Well put A Guest!!!!

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Yep, he was one of the super-achiever Snowdens.

    At least you can trace your ancestry back further than a few generations.

    In my male lineage, I can only go back to my G. Grandfather. He was the illegitimate son of a Spanish noble woman and a servant. He was adopted by a Galician family. That is where my last name comes from. As a teen, when he found out the truth, he ran away from home and stowed away on a steamer. He ended up in Cuba.

    BTS

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    Victor (183-203 A.D.), Gelasius (492-496 A.D.), and Mechiades or Militiades (311-314 A.D.)

    There you go.

    My patron saint that I chose for my baptism also is African.

    He spent many years in an anti-Christian cult before embracing Christianity.

    His mother's prayers helped save him.

    Sound familiar?

    He went on to become one of the greatest Christian philosophers of all time.

    America's oldest city takes its name from him as well.

    BTS

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    At least you can trace your ancestry back further than a few generations.

    Not on my mother's side - they were so neurotic and tight-lipped.

    The Snowdens descended from Caucasians.

    Syl

  • snowbird
    snowbird
    America's oldest city takes its name from him as well.
    BTS

    Saint Aug.

    I just LOVE history!

    Syl

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips
    The Snowdens descended from Caucasians.

    I really need to get back to work! I could blow hours on this subject!

    BTS

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