Not to make light but this thread was getting freaking depressing!
I HATE this religion
by brotherdan 388 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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wasblind
There are only two, that I know of that can use scripture to cause harm
Satan and the Watchtower society. Yes we may become divided in thought
when it come to religious beliefs, but why should a family become divided physically by a religion that
has proven they are not guided by holy spirit. This is the same organization that refuses
to acknowledge that Dueteronomy 18: 21-22 applies to them. Son of a............
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Nickolas
here is another 'MUST' you must do the FWN, it is vital that you take a lead spiritually at the bare minimum so that the 5 year old sees you being 'spiritual'. Use the Bible only and maybe rip off a few fun ideas from the Mormon 'Family Home Evening' webpages
Sounds to me, Dan, that someone wants you to subscribe to their flavor of religion now that you appear to have dumped yours. I suggest you do some real research into the history of Joseph Smith before going anywhere near the Mormon Family Home Evening webpages for a few fun ideas.
That was an aside. There is a part of you that is changing and a part of you that is intact. Your wife's coldness is directed toward the former. She has had children with you, has been a good, supportive wife and mother and it is unlikely she will give that up. It was a few pages back in the thread but someone gave you advice to just be loving toward her. She'll be unhappy with what she perceives as a betrayal of what the two of you put on the table when you first fell in love, but she will be unable to stop loving you if you keep loving her.
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yknot
Nick .... I am not a Mormon, technically I am still an active JW
The WTS ripped off the FWN idea from the Mormons (who started it in 1905 and strongly suggested it be held on Mondays in 2002) and they have set up thousands of sites devoted to FHE ideas. All of these ideas (crafts, songs, games, activity- Sunday school stuff) can be adapted to any belief system.
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Libelle
Oh Dan, I'm so so sorry.
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littlebird
Dan , Im in Denver, please let me know how I can help. I may even know this "friend" of hers. If you cant afford a lawyer, neither can she. If she really plans to take the kids out of state, she could be charged with kidnapping. Personally, I would have no second thoughts about making this known to her and that anyone who helps her is an accessory to kidnapping.
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yknot
Dan time to play on both sides of caution.
Seek legal aid immediately.
Visit every lawyer in town and nearby (she won't be able to employ them later)
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You keep trying to get away from the WTS and like a snakes fangs the more you struggle to get away from it's mouth the deeper the penetration. The only way to get released from the fangs is by heading deeper into the snakes mouth!
Head to the WT, discern your instance of 'no-wts' has brought you to this point. You cannot get her out until you go back in and are viewed as spiritually trustworthy
Your personal feelings about the WTS needs to be put into perspective of the larger scheme of things! In other words 'suck it up' for the time being!
You are making CLASSIC mistakes which the WTS anticipates at great lenghts.
Apologize, cry and beg and Whatever else you need to do to talk her out of this..... (ie you played you hand poorly against all advice and now you have two choices: WT and meetings for about a year or LOSE EVERYTHING! Ask yourself if you really want the WTS to win your KIDS over you not excerting self control, patience and cunning...... I hate talking 'hard-ass' but you need to 'snap out of this' YOU are THROWING EVERYTHING AWAY!)
She is acting NORMAL in this situation, we are programmed to do this
luv and hugs and mucho prayers (as in you are on 6 prayer lists!)
do the 'right' thing, not the 'easy' thing
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Gayle
MadSweeney and brotherdan,
I can email with "attachment" the WT Custody Booklet,,about 70 pages.
Click on at my name and it will show you my email address,,I can send it through email with attachment. If you are not comfortable to leave your email address with me, perhaps/hopefully you have someone in your confidence that I can email or snailmail a copy.
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Think About It
Man, this is a crazy cult. A guy has good reason to have doubts about this religion, informs his wife, and even after just taking her on a Hawaii vacation, she wants to bail with the kids to a sympathic JW friend, because he doesn't want to attend the meetings anymore.
Two other possible ideas are (1) as hard as it would be to stomach, inform her you will go back to meetings to keep the family together. (2) you could always use JW elders to help your situation. As far as they know you just have doubts. If you want your family to stay together, there is no way they could back her, especially in taking your kids out-of-state.
That's all I got. Sorry Dan.
Think About It
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Hadit
I'm so sorry! OMG - how awful. Please don't give up!!!! Your children need you. What she is doing is wrong on all levels. Don't let her take your kids away from you. Call legal aid, call the police, call whoever you need to right now. SHE HAS NO RIGHT TO TAKE YOUR CHILDREN! If you let her take them now she can use it against you that you didn't even try to stop her and it won't look good in court. I've seen this happen. You are those children's father and have every right to have them near you. If she wants to separate - fine - you cannot stop her but you can stop her from taking your children away from you. Start logging everything that is going on - I know it's hard to do right now when you are in this state but you need to. Do you have anyone around you that can help you? A workmate, family member, anyone? ASK them for help. Now is not the time to shy away from asking for help. Perhaps there is someone in your area from this board?
You have the strength in you to do this! It's there - please tap into it!!! Take some deep breaths and think of those kids. YOU CAN DO THIS! Don't give up. I am thinking of you and so is everyone else on here.
Take good care of yourself. Hang in there. My thoughts are with you.
Hadit