-bator: Time will tell...but education goes a long way...the US is simply a melting pot. Reniaa, you are the one who everything you type is either silly, stupid or obnoxious. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
At what point did you realize JW's were a Cult?
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jookbeard
human rights from the WTS? LOL, human rights that saw many die in refusing organ transplants? what about the very human rights that saw children die in refusing vaccinations during the iron fist rule of Rutherford? the very human rights that see young children die to this very day refusing life giving blood therapy? and they very human rights of young babies being raped by your GB welcoming repenting filthy paedophiles back to the flock in open arms only to go and rape again even the same victims? Human rights and the WTS? would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
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cantleave
Semantics- my favourite game.
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bohm
debator - you define cults one way, the majority here (along with cult experts) define it another way. So yah, they are a cult, according to eg. the BITE model.
Side question: Do you think scientology is a cult?
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debator
Witnesses are simply not a cult! and you cannot make them be a cult!
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are a cult.
Go ahead and keep disagreeing with the European Human right courts that uphold us as a religion.
The European Court of Human Rights has defended the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses in many cases. For example:
- Efstratiou v. Greece (18 December 1996), Strasbourg 77/1996/696/888 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Manoussakis and Others v. Greece (26 September 1996), Strasbourg 59/1995/565/651 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Hoffmann v. Austria (23 June 1993), Strasbourg 15/1992/360/434 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Kokkinakis v. Greece (25 May 1993), Strasbourg 3/1992/348/421 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
Actually this is a good thread to show people how bitterness against the religion you once loved and were a part of has blinded your ability to be objective.
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isaacaustin
Jookbeard, human rights and the WT do not belong in the same sentence. The only rights the WT cries for is the right to tell its members what to do.
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Think About It
They are not a cult!
Debator.......this isn't door to door or the workplace where you are defending JW's against cult allegations. We are former JW's who now embarrassingly have to admit our former religion is a cult. We were former JW elders, MS's, missionaries, pioneers, etc. who finally woke up from this controlling cult. Another sign it's a cult is the fact that although you defend the religion, you would be DF'd and shunned if they knew you were a regular on this apostate website. That's another sign of a cult. What normal religion labels people apostates just because they no longer want to be apart of the religion? Why the hell can't you just leave and still have normal family relationships? Why do you have to believe 100% what the GB spins or be labeled an apostate? There are just too many normal activities that the JW elders involve themselves in other people's lives that make it a cult. We lived the cult. It's a cult.
Think About It
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isaacaustin
-bator the crybaby wah wah wahed:
Witnesses are simply not a cult! and you cannot make them be a cult!
My reply: Need a tissue?
-bator:
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are a cult.
My reply: Reniaa's baseless assertions and use of pejoratives and superlatives...let's rewrite this more accurately:
Only in the minds of bitter, hate-filled, prejudiced opinion (that would curtail people's personal freedom to be in the religion of their choice) are they blinded enough to think they are NOT a cult.
-bator said:
Go ahead and keep disagreeing with the European Human right courts that uphold us as a religion.
The European Court of Human Rights has defended the rights of Jehovah's Witnesses in many cases. For example:
- Efstratiou v. Greece (18 December 1996), Strasbourg 77/1996/696/888 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Manoussakis and Others v. Greece (26 September 1996), Strasbourg 59/1995/565/651 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Hoffmann v. Austria (23 June 1993), Strasbourg 15/1992/360/434 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
- Kokkinakis v. Greece (25 May 1993), Strasbourg 3/1992/348/421 (Eur. Ct. H.R.)
My reply: Time will tell how this unfolds.
Reniaa said:
Actually this is a good thread to show people how bitterness against the religion you once loved and were a part of has blinded your ability to be objective.
My reply: Actually this is a good thread to show people how experience in the religion you once loved and were a part of has opened your ability to be objective.
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debator
Hi bohm
Yes your right
Jehovah's Witnesses, most governments, human rights organisations define Cults a particular way and confirm Jehovah's witnesses are not a cult and ex-JW's, anti-religionists (I won't add cult experts since they do not mention witnesses. Their work is simply cold-read into biased info about witnesses) another way.
Again I ask who is being blinded by their prejudice?
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debator
This is the moment where after you say on other debates threads that you are enlightened now, no longer blinded and have new critical thinking skills.
That you ask yourself why you need to say Witnesses are a cult despite most governments and human rights saying they aren't?
Please think about that carefully. Examine please how much you are being prejudiced by your anti-witness agenda!