When God breaks his own laws

by Nickolas 111 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  PSacramento

  Indeed and my point is that this "resonable" view of their faith is not just a religious thing because even secular people have it in regards to their "ideals".

  It seems to draw reason and faith into a black hole that they can never get out of.

  It seems that the core of this "reasonable faith" that tends to be very varied and even opposits of each other ( ones reasonable faith says its ok to kill the infidel while anothers reasonable faith says the enemy should be loved and treadt as a brother) is the issue here.

  What can drive one to believe that doing something that another person views as horrific, as being resonable?

  Of course one can wonder why God is preoccupied with women's clothing when eve was naked, one can wonder why God would want a person to die when there is a medical way to save them, one can wonder why God would endow a child with forskin to only have it cut off in a very painful way, we can wonder about the resonableness of these things, but we don't and why is that?

  ( By we I meant the people that believe those trings to be reasonable in accordance with their faith)
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  Yizuman

  Thow shalt not kill. Then, he starts killing. You'ld think a god w infinite time, infinite power, infinite love and infinite knowledge/wisdom would be able to find better ways of dealing.

  You don't think God has tried? At the end, the results belongs to the one that makes the choices for themselves.

  Yiz
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  THE GLADIATOR

  Of course one can wonder why God is preoccupied with women's clothing when eve was naked...

  Adam and eve were alone in their own private garden - even paradise - doing what comes naturally - according to Genesis. Clothes had not even been invented. In an over crowded world full of lust, clothes are a sensible accessory.

  These faith versus reason debates never go anywhere because faith depends upon the willingness to suspend reason, whenever it becomes inconvenient. I really have lost the will to debate these matters. And just throw my coin in the ring now and then.
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Hi, PSac.

  I think my first question is WHY do those people believe such things to be reasonable?

  Do you not agree that a Muslim's reason, though based on false presupposition, would still seem completely valid to him? Is there any way he might be able to identify the flaws in his reasoning (without, say, any significant knowledge of the bible or Christiantity)?
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  Yizuman: You don't think God has tried? At the end, the results belongs to the one that makes the choices for themselves.

  There are numerous bible accounts of children being killed on account of being in the path of god's wrath. Take the flood myth, for example: Infants and children who drowned to death didn't get a choice. Is that justice?
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  Yizuman

  There are numerous bible accounts of children being killed on account of being in the path of god's wrath. Take the flood myth, for example: Infants and children who drowned to death didn't get a choice. Is that justice?

  You mean they're not with God being basked with His love and their lives will be restored fully whole on the coming day of the resurrection?

  Yiz
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  Nickolas

  These faith versus reason debates never go anywhere because faith depends upon the willingness to suspend reason, whenever it becomes inconvenient.

  Yeah, I guess that was the point I was trying to make. You've said it much more eloquently than I.
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  SweetBabyCheezits

  You mean they're not with God being basked with His love and their lives will be restored fully whole on the coming day of the resurrection?

  That's correct, they're not. Because - among other reasons - the global flood story is a myth.

  But even if the deluge was real, what's the basis for the above rhetoric?
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  Nickolas

  the global flood story is a myth.

  I have a strong distaste for dogmatic & unscientific comments like this.

  (sorry, SBC, couldn't resist).
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  Yizuman

  That's correct, they're not. Because - among other reasons - the global flood story is a myth.

  But even if the deluge was real, what's the basis for the above rhetoric?

  Because the children all have souls, the body dies yes, but their souls have not, they're not really dead. Not in the same sense as the body.

  That's why Jesus said, "Don't be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the one who can destroy both body and soul in hell." Matthew 10:28

  Yes they got caught in the wrath of God, but that did not mean they were guilty. But it doesn't also mean God can't restore them as well.

  Yiz