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Inkie,
Thank you for the kind reply and the scripture.
SA,
You wrote something and I would appreciate understanding exactly what you meant: "In addition, I have also seen our Lord..." Do you mean this in a spiritual or literal sense? Are you saying you actually saw the Christ? If you can, please expound on that bit.
Thank you,
Believing
I have seen my Lord, dear BXJW (peace to you!)... which I have not hid from anyone here. Indeed, I have posted about it on more than one occasion. First, he is NOT as earthling man believes he is... and depicts him. Because he is NOT HUMAN. Thus, not only is he NOT tall and strapping with blonde hair/blue eyes (or brown hair/brown eyes, etc.), he does not have flesh... or features like ours, per se. That is OUR image... or, rather, Adham's... the one he had AFTER he sinned... by means of the long garment of skin given him, then. We are NOT made in God's image; ADHAM was made in God's image... and WE... in Adham's image... AFTER he sinned.
So, my Lord's skin is the color of... well, others have described it as "copper" or "bronze"... and that is KIND of accurate, but it's actually much more glorious than mere copper or bronze. Glowing is accurate, because they all glow... spirit beings. They are "fiery"... because they emit God's light... His "glory." For instance, the angel that sat in the thornbush in Moses' day made it look as if the bush itself were on fire. It wasn't - what was IN the bush was radiating a sort of energy which looked like "fire" to Moses. The bush,however, did not burn.
His eyes are orange ("fiery colored").
His hair is white and does look like wool... but not tightly curled wool (as some African Americans which to believe) as is still on a sheep or just sheared. Rather, it is like wool that has been cleaned... and combed out. Carded. And it is long. Kind of like the guy in Harry Potter, but thicker... "wilder," even.
His skin texture is not like ours (unless, of course, he puts on flesh). Rather, it is made up of scales... as is the skin of all spirit beings (as they truly are and not when they manifest in flesh).
Unlike the other spirits, however, but like the Father, he does not have wings. They all have wings... but NOT bird wings, not at all. They are not birds. They don't have feathers . The closest thing I can come to a description would be a gargoyle. This is not entirely accurate, but since they are not from this world, there really isn't anything here that can accurately describe them.
He is NOT attractive, by man's standards. Hideous, actually. Enough to cause those who saw him and wrote about it... faint before doing so.
Because he is a seraphs, as they all are. Even the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. That is their "kind."
What is a seraph? A "flying, fiery serpent." Or, to put it in a word you might understand... a dragon. They are, all of them "dragons" (and NOT how that word had been mistransliterated by man, particularly during the Middle Ages). Seraphs... which are flying, fiery serpents. And a serpent... is NOT a snake!!
Satan is not the "original dragon." That is a mistransliteration from the word "arkaic," because someone thought John was referring to the word as in "ancient/old". He is called the "arkaic" serpent... or seraph... because he was a cherub... OF the Ark [of the Covenant]. Michael... is the OTHER angel... or cherub... of the Ark. An Arkangel. There were two... and both were "cherubs."
In the spirit realm, ONE is the Father, ONE is the Son (the Propitiatory)... and the rest are angels. TWO were arkangels. Arkangel is the second highest of "princes" in the spirit realm, Christ being the highest. Cherubs, too, are "princes"... in that they have rank over the other angels. THre were eight; now, there are seven. They are "princes"... because they have/had dominion... over "principalities." Areas in the physical realm that were given to them (i.e., Eden, Persia, Greece, Egypt... Ephesus, Laodicea, Pergamum, etc.).
MANY are Nephi (plural, Nephilim)... but MOST are just angels, with no rank or dominion, and so are just servants/messengers.
ALL, however... are seraphs. Even the Most Holy One of Israel, Himself.
And yes, it's all in the Bible... or was, depending on the version you read.
(NOTE: Hebrews were originally from the East. Orientals. There is a reason why the Chinese, one of the oldest civilizations today... revere dragons. And why in THEIR lore... the gate to "paradise" is guarded... by two dragons. They are, in fact, the cherubs placed by God... which cherubs... ARE dragons.)
I hope this helps, dear BXJW... and again, I bid you peace!
A slave of Christ, the Son of the True God and the TRUE Copper Serpent... the Holy Seraph, Holy One of Israel, and Holy Spirit... JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH, who the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... raised up over His House, just as Moses lifted up the copper serpent over Israel, so that all who gazed on it might not die,
SA
SA
Designs, you wrote:
Why this need to pat themselves on the back and point a finger at 'the others'. Here it seems like having a phenominal experience is part of the sign you are in the club but when the GB syas they get inspiration from above its considered false. . . . 'The voices I hear are from God, yours are from the Devil'. Hmmm
Designs, you could not be more mistaken. Where did you ever get the thought or idea that I (or we) were ever patting ourselves on the back? I (we) haven't done ANYTHING that warrants receiving a pat on the back. The Governing Body ("GB") has taught that they are "anointed." Far be it from me to say they are not, although I do have my serious doubts about that. But I wouldn't tell them (or anyone else for that matter) that they are NOT anointed. That is between them, God, and Christ, as someone else stated here in this thread. Jaheshua, however, did say that "by their fruits you will know them" meaning that by seeing the things they say and do one can discern if they are imposters or not. You do know this, right? Also, it is also written that there are anointed ones who, unfortunately and to their own detriment, prove false to their choosing/anointing. In the Bible they are called adultresses. These are anointed ones who have left their husband--the Christ.
Tec is correct when she said that all "we" do is try to point and direct people TO THE CHRIST. That is it. You go to him, not us.
--Inkie
SA,
Thank you for answering. You said, in part, that when you saw the Christ:
"He is NOT attractive, by man's standards. Hideous, actually. Enough to cause those who saw him and wrote about it... faint before doing so.
Because he is a seraphs, as they all are. Even the MOST Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies. That is their "kind."
What is a seraph? A "flying, fiery serpent." Or, to put it in a word you might understand... a dragon. They are, all of them "dragons" (and NOT how that word had been mistransliterated by man, particularly during the Middle Ages). Seraphs... which are flying, fiery serpents. And a serpent... is NOT a snake!!"
How then should we understand 1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like him, because we will see Him just as He is," in your opinion will the resurrected anointed be as you described the Christ above?
Far be it from me to say they are not, although I do have my serious doubts about that. But I wouldn't tell them (or anyone else for that matter) that they are NOT anointed.
I know it may sound presumptuous, dear Inkie ( the greatest of love and peace to you!)... but are circumstances where one CAN say that another is NOT anointed. When their "fruits" manifest such, yes, but also when the Holy Spirit so directs one. For example, the men specifically named by Paul. True, there are those who turn away... or are turned away... from their anointing (King Saul comes to mind). And those who "have a FORM of godly devotion... but PROVE false to its power."
What should those who are of the Body do with/about/as to such ones? Regarding the first (anointed who turn away/are turned away)... we must leave them to JAH, just as David did with Saul (he did not put out his hand against an anointed of JAH... or "christian"). Regarding those in the second group, however, we can "expose" such ones... if the Spirit calls upon us to do so. Because they pose a danger to the Body ("for false christs and false prophets WILL arise and WILL give greats signs and wonders so AS to mislead, IF POSSIBLE... EVEN the chosen ones"). Should we sit silent when we KNOW this is occurring? While we may not take out a full-page ad in a public journal, we most CERTAINLY can say to THAT one they are not not who they are claiming to be. We CAN... OPPOSE "the devil"... and, potentially, his "children."
Now, of course, we have been taught... by RELIGION... that we cannot/should not do that. But we are NOT taught that by Christ. Indeed, those who DID... were commended:
"I know your deeds, and your labor and endurance, and that you cannot bear bad men, and that you put those to the test who say they are apostles, but they are not, and you found them liars."
"Look! I will give those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews, and yet they are not but are lying—look! I will make them come and do obeisance before your feet and make them know I have loved you."
"Still, you do have this, that you hate the deeds of the sect of Nic·o·la´us, which I also hate."
"I know your tribulation and poverty—but you are rich—and the blasphemy by those who say they themselves are Jews, and yet they are not but are a synagogue of Satan."
“‘Nevertheless, I have a few things against you, that you have there those holding fast the teaching of Ba´laam, who went teaching Ba´lak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel, to eat things sacrificed to idols and to commit fornication. So you, also, have those holding fast the teaching of the sect of Nic·o·la´us likewise.
"... you tolerate that woman Jez´e·bel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and misleads my slaves to commit fornication and to eat things sacrificed to idols..."
Thus, virtually every apostle (and fleshly brother of our Lord), who received an anointing directly from our Lord and whose writings are in the Bible did NOT hold back from exposing those who the Spirit exposed to THEM... as imposters and blasphemers. Either directly, by name, or indirectly... by implication.
This NOT judging, however, as so MANY wish to believe and others teach. If one steals something, one is a thief. Calling such one a thief, therefore, is not judging them. Determining what occurs with such one... for BEING a thief... is judging. "Shutting up the kingdom of the heavens." Rather than judging, we should FORGIVE when one sins against us... and leave them to the Most Holy One of Israel... and His Son... when one sins against Them.
What, then, prevents US from exposing imposters/blasphemers? If one has not recieved holy spirit... then fear stops such one. Yet, Paul fearlessly called Peter out on his (Peter's) hypocrisy. Why? Because Peter was conducting himself in hypocrisy... and needed to be called on it... so that he didn't CONTINUE... TO his own judgment. Paul SHOULD, however, have made it between him and Peter alone... as our Lord directed.
That fear, however, has been created and perpetuated by those who do NOT know God, because they do NOT know Christ, because they have not received the promised holy spirit. Because if they HAD... they would know that so long as what they are exposing is out of LOVE... for God, Christ, the Body... and the one being exposed (perhaps they may wake up and turn around!)... there is no law "against" them.
Finally, they would also know that the instruction from our Lord regarding removing rafters from our own eyes... so as to SEE how to extract a straw... applies to the one in our "BROTHER'S" eye. The children of the devil, however, wouldn't necessarily be given this same consideration.
Now, of course, some will take exception to what I've stated here and cry aloud, while weeping gnashing their teeth over it. That is not my concern, though, dear one. My concern is that the Body that is HERE... be told the TRUTH. Of course, we always have the option of remaining silent on such matters (when it's been revealed to us that one is not who they say they are); however, when the Spirit directs or ALLOWS... we also have boldness... and freedom... of speech.
Again, I bid you peace!
A slave of Christ,
SA
This is inaccurate. Paul neither saw my Lord (he only heard him speak!)... and certainly was NOT the last one to receive spirit from him! If we are to go by what's in the Bible... John was the last "apostle" recorded there to see our Lord (Revelation 1:13-16). And MANY have received holy spirit directly from our Lord since Paul, and so did not need anyone, including an apostle, to lay hands on them. (Acts 10:24, 44-47) I am just one such person... and there have been many before me... those contemporary with me... and those since. In addition, I have also seen our Lord... and even shared that truth with you all here... although Paul never did.
Well, IF we go by the bible:
1Corinthians 9:
9 Am I not free? Am I not an apostle? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, at least I am to you; for you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
1Corinthians 15:
15 Now I would remind you, brothers and sisters, a of the good news b that I proclaimed to you, which you in turn received, in which also you stand, 2 through which also you are being saved, if you hold firmly to the message that I proclaimed to you—unless you have come to believe in vain.
3 For I handed on to you as of first importance what I in turn had received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 and that he was buried, and that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters c at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have died. d 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, unfit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me has not been in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them—though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we proclaim and so you have come to believe.
How then should we understand 1 John 3:2, "Beloved, now we are children of God, and it has not appeared as yet what we will be. We know that when He appears, we will be like him, because we will see Him just as He is," in your opinion will the resurrected anointed be as you described the Christ above?
Along with others, this very verse also states it, dear BXJW (peace to you!). Because folks don't know this truth, however, they misinterpret/misunderstand it. Some other verses that help us to know that it is NOT as earthling man appears NOW (because NOW we exhibit the "long garment of skin" that Adham received AFTER he sinned... but THEN we will be returned to what he appeared like BEFORE he sinned):
"But JaHVeH said to Samuel: “Do not look at his appearance and at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him. For not the way man sees [is the way God sees], because mere man sees what appears to the eyes; but as for JaHVeH, he sees what the heart is.”
"At him kings will shut their mouth, because what had not been recounted to them they will actually see, and to what they had not heard they must turn their consideration."
" And he will come up like a twig before one, and like a root out of waterless land. No stately form does he have, nor any splendor; and when we shall see him, there is not the appearance so that we should desire him."
"Teacher, we know you are truthful and teach the way of God in truth, and you do not care for anybody, for you do not look upon men’s outward appearance."
My Lord was not attractive in the flesh, dear BXJW. Indeed, he was considered hideous as a man... even "afflicted by God." He is even less attractive as a spirit. But that is because the Most Holy One of Israel does not consider what is on the OUTSIDE... but what is on the INSIDE. INSIDE... my Lord is more beautiful that anything that has ever come into existence. Satan... proved to be just the opposite: VERY beautiful on the OUTSIDE... but "corrupt"... on the inside.
I hope this helps and again, peace to you!
A slave of Christ,
SA
Some have attributed this passage from Isaiah to Christ:
Isaiah 53:2b , “He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him.”
Greetings, dear PSacto... and the greatest of love and peace to you!
If we go by the Bible, our Lord did indeed appear to Paul. However, what Paul saw... was the "light" that is our Lord... and not our Lord, himself, the person IN that light, literally. And so, yes, Paul could say he'd "seen" the Lord: he knew who it was who had appeared to him. However, as a result of our Lord's glory... his light... Paul was temporarily blinded. Although his eyes were open, after he saw the light he couldn't see anything, actually. For three days. Indeed, our Lord's light... his "glory" was SO bright... that Paul actually had to be PROTECTED from seeing. Hence, the scales that covered his eyes. Otherwise, he would have immediately gone blind... permanently. He was in a similar situation as Moses; that one, however, hid inside the mountain crag. Paul was out on the open road and so had to have his vision protected. He "saw the light"of... but not the actual person of... our Lord.
What is the difference between Paul... and the others? Well, according to the record the other apostles did not seen our Lord after he was GLORIFIED... but only before. Excluding John, of course. Thus, no great light. (The word of my Lord to me is that he did indeed appear to others... and some instances ARE "written"... just not in the Bible). Moses saw a lesser spirit being in the thornbush, thus he was not blinded by that one's "light"; however, he could NOT have withstood the light of the Most Holy One of Israel, which is why he had to hide. Even then... his face reflected that light for many days.
Daniel, John, others... and me, his servant and yours... were in the spirit. Thus, our flesh was not affected at all... and so we could see... more clearly. For John, others, and me... it is what our Lord meant when he said:
"Those who obey my commandments are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them, and I will love them. AndI will reveal myself to each one of them." (NLT)
"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him andshow myself to him." (NIV)
"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (KJV)
"He that has my commandments and observes them, that one is he who loves me. In turn he that loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and will plainly show myself to him.” (NWT)
Unfortunately, Paul had not yet fulfilled this prophecy when our Lord appeared to him. He did not have our Lord's commandments OR observe them, because he was still under the Law Covenant... and thus, he did not YET love our Lord. That changed, yes, but not at the time our Lord appeared to him.
I hope this helps and, as always, I bid you the greatest of love and peace!
YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to Him, nothing in His appearance that we should desire Him.”
Then, dear PSacto (again, peace to you!)... and when he returns. There is a reason some will cry out for the mountains to fall over and cover them (or similar). Unfortunately, earthling's man propaganda has virtually turned such into our enemies. We have been conditioned to consider ANYTHING that is not from this world... and is pretty hideous ("alien" to us)... as enemies. Some of our greatest visual programming is long these lines. Just recently, an ABC program called "V" did this: anything from "outer space" that looks like us on the outside... but is "reptilian" on the inside... is really just coming to annihilate... or eat us (which is the worst of the worst, isn't it? Cut me, stab me, shoot me... chop me up. But don't eat me!!). And so, we'd better get ready for "them"... and try to destroy "them" before "they" destroy us.
Well, while that might be understandable thinking for Gog... and Magog... it is the exact opposite for the Body of Christ. Our "help" will COME from the "heavens." Outer space? Ummmm... no. They are actually not afar off. Just in a difference dimension. So, we should take great care not to allow our minds... and hearts... to be any further brainwashed... so that we, too, start to say what is bad (the human garment) is "good"... and what is good (the real appearance of spirit beings)... is "bad." Because that is dangerously backward. Truly. And can prove detrimental, as it may ultimately establish just who is it we REALLY "belong" to.
Again, I bid you peace!
Your servant and a slave of Christ,
SA
