Can anyone come up with a morally acceptable reason for waiting thousands of years to end wickedness? (page 10)

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The killer of all explanations is that all the suffering is our fault.

designs

The Fundamentalist view is child abuse, brainwashing kids with scare tactics.

Everyone who complains, I have a sincere question. How do you suppose God should end all suffering and wickedness, right now, and for all time - meaning it will never crop back up? What are your suggestions?

Tammy

designs

Tammy- The Existentalist view is to accept reality and work with what is known and the possiblities to change our social and environmental problems, and not to pine for an external cosmic force to create Nirvana.

ProdigalSon

A couple of years ago I read a book that really changed my outlook on life, called "Nano: Technology of Mind Over Matter" by Kabbalist Rav Berg. It basically said that God, the Absolute, pure love and light, had nothing to share with but wanted to give love unconditionally, and so it used part of itself to create a "vessel" of human souls to receive the love, but the vessel also received the "God gene" that has the same desire to give. Not satisfied with a one-way relationship, it forced itself to cut off the light from God in order to find its way back to God through free will and evolution. It's the same exact thing as David Wilcock says here, which makes total sense to me. Perhaps it will ring true for others too....

http://spiritofmaat.com/archive/sep2/wilcock.htm

Our origin and evolution

Many sources, including Ra, Edgar Cayce, and others, say that the Oneness essentially got bored or lonely. It needed to do something. It needed to create. It wasn't feeling complete just by having this unified consciousness all the time.

So it conceptualized the idea of breaking Itself up into all these parts, knowing that the parts would be able to evolve by their own free will, making their own decisions. Things would happen that the Oneness was not yet able to understand or comprehend. The parts would have essentially their own creative ability. They would be Co-Creators.

The Great Plan was that at the end, after this entire cycle of universal evolution was complete, all of the parts that had evolved on their own would independently recognize their God Consciousness, renounce separation, embrace unity, and return to the totality of Oneness. The One Creator from that very fact would be highly enhanced, because all of this wonderful creative stuff had transpired in that transition from ''One'' to ''many'' and back to ''One.''

So God is evolving, and not some static Being that just sits there and waits for everybody to catch up. God is experiencing our evolution with us.

gubberningbody

Tec/Tammy...

I have a problem with the design of the universe. If the universe simply MUST be based on consumption where things eat each other, then it should be enjoyable for things to be eaten. The ones being eaten should relish the opportunity, but experience no pain on the way, either through pain of waiting to be eaten, or pain of boredom, or lack of fulfillment on the way to becoming the future stools of some other creature.

My design would NOT entail a consumptive universe.

AGuest

Greetings, dear design, and peace to you!

So why is Christ still playing this Faith game, a little like a cat with a ball of string isn't it

The Holy One of Israel isn't playing a game, dear one. People get all upset because they know, are told, and/or reject the notion that they don't have enough faith. Which is EASILY REMEDIED: all they have to DO... is ASK. But... they won't. They stubbornly choose to STAY in their hard-headed, hard-hearted, stiff-necked state. Rather than even entertaining the POSSIBILITY that they WILL receive... they have their hearts and minds made up that no action is required on their part. And then, they cry "foul"... because they receive nothing. It is SO like earthling man... and why some spirit beings seek our destruction: it is evidence of our haughty arrogance... although we really are a weak, puny species.

For example, it is absolutely laughable that should other beings from a more advance society/existence ever "visit"... we would be able to destroy them with our missiles. Indeed, we would really only blow ourselves up. Yet, every "man vs. alien" movie shows "us" prevailing... victorious... even bringing down massive starships with our puny little guns. Am I saying that there are space aliens out there? I truly have absolutely NO idea.

But that was not my point. My POINT... is that (1) we really believe WE are the "gods" in the universe, and (2) it is NOT God or Christ who stand off from us... but we who stand off from them. Because of our human arrogance... which we inherited from Adham. That one wanted to be like God... even though his body had not yet been prepared for that. We, too, want to be like God. Like Adham, however, we miss the MOST important aspect of how we CAN be like God: love. Particularly for Him. Rather than keeping account of OUR sins and injuries... He gave His Son. We, however, not only keep account of [what we perceive to be] HIS "sins" and "injuries" against "us", "we" continually throw them back in HIS face! Thing is, He has not sinned against us. Another did that. But our LACK OF FAITH won't allow us to HEAR what really took place, so that we REALLY know... and not just think we know... or dismiss what occurred altogether so that we can think we have CAUSE to blame God.

what does this person want......

For you to LIVE. And so, he is TRYING to teach you to benefit yourself. HE doesn't need anything from YOU - YOU... need EVERYTHING from him. And so he TRIES to tell you how to obtain "everything"... which is LIFE. Because if you don't have life... you HAVE... nothing! And you do have life... and can have it eternally... when you listen to him. When you don't... well, you're pretty much on your own (which is what you are demonstrating you WANT)... and it's pretty much a crapshoot. You may do good... or not so much. Even badly. You will die... but you may also receive everlasting death! No, not torture. Just destruction. No life at all.

and by extension to any who go in for this scenario, what exactly do you do in terms of goodness that any decent human doesn't do.

"Any decent human" would correlate to the nations... who, when they do such things... are a law unto themselves. What people MISS... is that EVERYONE thinks they are "Israel." Everyone thinks that... simply by default... they are among those who are to become a "nation of kings and priests." What they don't understand... because it has not been properly explained to them... is that ISRAEL is the chosen people... NOT because they were special... but because Abraham showed HIS faith in God. Now, it is not ONLY Israel who become that chosen nation because they, as a nation, rejected the king GOD chose for them. OTHERS, however, who were/are NOT Israel... accepted that king... and as a result, get to be CALLED "Israel," regardless of whether they have Abraham's blood in them or not.

What does mean, in line with your question? That the message of the Christ is to Israel, first, then to those who go WITH Israel. It is not to those who aren't/don't. These... will be a nation of kings and priests. BUT... they are not the only ones to be given life - what, I ask you, is the POINT of BEING a king... OR a priest... if there is NO ONE to rule over/render sacred service FOR? So, there must be "subjects."

These "subjects"... are the "decent humans" you are speaking of. These will live, too, NOT because they are Israel, NOT because they go WITH Israel, NOT because they know or serve the GOD of Israel... or His Christ. They will LIVE... because, by means of their "decency"... they, like Rahab... will have done SOME good to one of Christ's brothers... even a least one.

The job of those who ARE Israel/those who go with them who accept the king chosen by GOD... those who belong to CHRIST... because he PURCHASED, with his BLOOD... is NOT to go around telling people, "If you don't believe as we do you're going to die!" THAT is NOT the message of the Spirit... OR the Bride. Their message is... "COME!" To anyone listening, Come! To anyone wishing, Come! To anyone thirst, Come!. Come... BE a part of that kingship/priesthood. HEAR the call... and come... that perhaps you may be chosen. If NOT, however... then at least do not try to "kill" such ones, indeed, kill ANYONE... but continue to do GOOD to your fellowman.

But there is NO message of death and destruction from such ones. That message is not theirs to give! Like Noah, they are "preachers" of RIGHTEOUSNESS... GOOD works... which they demonstrate simply by how they live their lives, the message of invitation that they extend to ALL who are wishing and thirsting, and their faith.

how is there anything unholy if God is everywhere.

While dear tec's answer was absolutely correct (peace to you, dear one!)... there is a better, more accurate one... and we have Christ to help us SEE it: unlike us, who can become unclean when we touch something unclean... ANYTHING touched by God (and Christ)... becomes clean. Everything. Even that which is unclean. By means of THEIR cleanliness... and cleansing power... the thing/place/person... becomes clean. It/they cannot BE unclean... because the very presence of the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies... or His Son/Christ, the Holy One of Israel and Holy Spirit, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH... MAKES it clean. The thing does not even need to be touched! Naaman didn't. The army officer's servant didn't. The ground where Moses saw the spirit in the bush didn't.

That which is UNHOLY, therefore, is so... by means of the ABSENCE of God... and Christ. It is UN-holy. UN... clean. Holiness... means cleanliness. JAH... is the MOST Holy... and, therefore, the MOST clean. Christ... is the Holy... and he is clean. Those of us who become the temple of God... which place is also "holy"... will also become clean. We are cleansed NOW... on the INSIDE... so that God and Christ CAN reside IN us, His temple. But when we receive the spirit body, the "white robe" and CLEAN "outer garment"... we will be fully clean, like them. With them being just a level or two cleanER. Holy... and MOST Holy.

Scenario of a factual event- The Baptist Sunday School bus goes off the road and several sweet little children are horribly mangled. At the funeral we are told that God wanted these little ones in heaven with Jesus.

That's because the "speaker" doesn't know God. Because he doesn't know Christ, the One who God sent to SHOW us what HE (God) "looks" like. When did Christ take anyone's life? Anyone's?? He didn't. Not one (excluding when he was a child and hadn't yet learn to CHOOSE good... and reject bad). To the contrary, he RESTORED life, even in that one case. See THIS truth... and so, see CHRIST... and you see... God. God is NOT the one taking life... with the exception of those of His enemies... which are those who attack "Abraham," His servant... by means of attacking Abraham's seed. The false teachings of the OT be hanged. But He is the One who can also RESTORE such lives. Earthling man takes lives... which he cannot restore or give back.

Question, why didn't He take them in their sleep instead of having them arranged to be dismembered.

Please, see above. He didn't do it.

We are told by Believers that the joy of heaven and God's presence will undo all of the bad memory and pain caused by the God who arranged the mass killing.

Some who perceive themselves to be "believers" say this, yes. The problem is a whole lot of "mass killing" attributed to the Most Holy One of Israel was not at His command at all. Even so, how can we take issue with One who can... and will... bring those who've died back to life?? People die for all sorts of reasons. We take issue with war (and we should, personally - but leave the world to do what it will at the leadings of IT'S "ruler"). But what of plague? All those people who died of flu, AIDS, etc.? Yes, I know... God was blamed for that, too. But the truth, dear one, is that God does not want ANY to die.

The TRUTH, however, is that if you want to see God, you must first see Christ. And that One (Christ) not only didn't take any lives... he didn't call down evil on anyone - including his enemies and particularly those who had him put to death/put him to death. He literally asked forgiveness for these. Yet, he said, "I do NOTHING of my own initiative, but just as I see the Father doing, so I do."

Does that not TELL you, something, dear designs... and about God?

Help me have Faith in this God.

All you need to do is ask for it, dear one. Truly. And if you TRULY are wishing... it will be given you. The Most Holy One of Israel does NOT close His hand... or withhold His holy spirit... from anyone asking... if such one asks in faith. Just a mustard-seed... that tells the one asking, "I WILL receive, because God IS merciful."

I hope this helps and I bid you peace!

YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

SA

Can anyone come up with a morally acceptable reason for waiting thousands of years to end wickedness?

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