Latest apostate warning in Feb 15 2011 Watchtower

by dozy 144 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Gayle
    Gayle

    The WTS makes up experiences of some, or makes many half-truth stories.

    However, I will be hopeful that perhaps a good number will read that and think, well, this guy, Andre, checked those "apostate" sites, found out what they say, wasn't destroyed by God on the spot, didn't turn immediately into a raving, manical demonized person. So, hopefully, they'll think "maybe I will check it out too." Most by far, if they check and analyze the facts, will gain much undeniable awareness of the WT manipulations.

    There will be some who learn of the facts but still want a dependency on the organization. Some just like to be ruled by men.

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    "Crafty" is a word they mainly use in the publications to describe the Devil.

    The thing about apostates quoting things out of context (with no examples provided) is interesting for two things. One, it was the organization quoting things out of context that initially made me feel very uncomfortable about the literature and the honesty of the organization. An "apostate" allegedly quoting things out of context is bad, but an organization claiming to represent God and teach what God directs (as "the truth") is way, way worse. Second, the Society here implies that "apostates" simply quote things out of context when they have to contend with websites posting all their old publications online, or newer ones illegally. Even a website designed to present full-context quotes without "apostate commentary" was threatened with a lawsuit by them. So if you quote too little, you are taking things "out of context" and if you quote too much, you are infringing copyright.

    Such statements like this merely create a demand for such file-sharing, as questioning JWs are going to want to see the entire publication or context of the quote, lest the organization is right and apostates are simply taking things out of context.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    Wow, why not just put some URLs in there while they are at it. I am shocked that they mentioned this it must be a HUGE problem.

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  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    This from the folks who take most of the bible out of context?

    I'll wager that he was dis fellowshipped and missed his family went back to suit them and get reinstated, was asked to give an experience at an assembly and then the "experience" was highly editorialized from there.

  • baltar447
    baltar447

    I could see someone going to six screens site and this happening. It's over the top and extremely sensationalized. Now if they went to jw facts, there is alot of info there that is hard to refute. (This coming from a still in doubter who still goes. Hey! maybe I can have my name changed and have my experience misquoted!)

  • isaacaustin
    isaacaustin

    Or they are using an example of someoe who was bitter, and thus felt justified to leave the org but still believed it was God's org. No specifics given.

  • leavingwt
    leavingwt

    In defense of those that WT calls "apostates", lets read what WT says about folks who "find something better". As you can see below, we are INVITED to share what we've found. I will continue to act accordingly.

  • maninthemiddle
    maninthemiddle

    Baltar, who had served Jehovah for years, had the great experience of being led astray

    by apostate thinking. He felt that having a quick look at an apostate Web site would

    not be dangerous.He recalls: “Initially, I was attracted to the so-called truths that the

    apostates spoke of. The more I examined what they said, the more I came to think

    that I was justified in leaving Jehovah’s organization.

    But later, as I did some research on the apostates’ arguments against Jehovah’s

    Witnesses, I became aware of how crafty the false teachers of the organization were. Information

    taken out of context was their ‘strong evidence’ against apostates. Thus, I decided to start

    reading our publications again and to attend the meetings. Soon I realized how

    wrong the Organization is.” Happily, Andre returned to real life.

  • WTWizard
    WTWizard

    It might be true that he went back. However, why? I noticed all too many weasel words in the littera-trash, with no reference to any of the evidence. They point out "One source", but they do not make any references to it so I can cross-examine that source. Yet, they expect people to stake their lives on the accuracy of that "evidence" that they never show anyone--at that, without researching from independent sources. Apostate web sites do allow people to independently research these things, never expecting anyone to stake their lives on something without providing ample opportunity to do extra research.

    And how did they get these people back? Certainly not love, joy, happiness, blessings, peace, and enlightenment. If they used those tools, very few would turn apostate in the first place and there wouldn't be many apostate web sites to look at. They would find that most people would come to similar conclusions if they used independent sources (enlightenment allows people to see the real truth, and if they look at independent sources, they would be able to tell if it was the truth or not). Discussion boards about the religion would be about 98% praises about the religion and in-depth discussion about the meetings, with outside references that actually support it and you can cross-reference with even more support. (And about 2% spambots and trolls that join forums simply to trash them.) People would actually want to attend these things--you would find attendance to be around 98% (with the others simply too sick to attend or unavoidably tied up that night) without hounding. And, it would be normal for worldly people to stumble in (or join on a positive recommendation) to a meeting, only to want to learn more and eventually join. You don't see that happening.

    If not love, joy, peace, and enlightenment, what do they use? When they succeed in getting people back, it is always fear, grief, shame, and guilt that they use. They are afraid of losing their families or of getting destroyed. They are in grief because their families are ruined by their leaving the cancer. They are in guilt because "it's their fault" that their families are ruined, and they are not doing what they promised to. And they experience shame because their disfellowshipped standing marks them as "inferior" and "unclean" to others. It might work at getting people back, but where in the Bible did Jesus consistently use fear, grief, shame, and guilt to draw people in or draw them back in? And, can anyone be truly motivated when they consistently use fear, grief, shame, and guilt?

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