Former Jehovah's Witnesses..... becomes a Jewish Rabbi !

by koolaid-man 48 Replies latest jw friends

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  moshe

  did you have to publicly "recant" Jesus because of your previous affiliation?..

  yes, I believe that is the reason.

  Constituting them a Jew on the INSIDE.-

  This isn't in the dictionary- it's a pretend definition.

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  * Child's non-Jewish mother: i.e. whether a child born of a non-Jewish mother should be considered Jewish through the father's Jewish identity.
  * Conversion: i.e. what process of conversion other than the historically normative procedure according to Jewish law should be considered valid.
  * Historical loss of Jewish identity: i.e. whether a person's or group's actions (such as conversion to a different religion) or circumstances in his or her community's life (such as being unaware of Jewish parents) should affect his or her Jewish status.
  * Diaspora identity: identity of Jews among themselves, and by non-Jews throughout the Jewish diaspora.
  * Claim to Israeli citizenship: the examination of the three previous issues in the context of the Basic Laws of Israel.
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  Satanus

  "

  did you have to publicly "recant" Jesus because of your previous affiliation?..

  yes, I believe that is the reason."

  In your experience, would you say that the practicing jews that you met have a hate for jesus?

  S
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  AGuest

  This isn't in the dictionary- it's a pretend definition.

  That it isn't in "the dictionary" is true, dear Moshe (peace to you!). However, the definition is true and accurate. And it well predates any dictionary that we have today (and, I mean, it's not like everything IS in the dictionary anyway, but only what the publishers wish to be).

  Again, peace to you!

  A slave of Christ,

  SA
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  myelaine

  dear moshe...

  my BS detector just went off...would you be so kind as to elaborate on your answer to my question(s). thank you.

  love michelle
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  Nathan Natas

  You have a PM, Kool Dude.
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  moshe

  Myeleaine- why not talk to a Rabbi yourself? Pick up the phone and call one.

  As convert I had to study Judaism's laws, traditions, prayers and history, learn to read Hebrew, be ritually circumcised (blood drawn), immersed in a Mikvah and be questioned by a Biet Din- rabbinical court, to insure my sincerity. During the formal Biet Din, ( court of 3) the Rabbis want to make sure you don't have any lingering doubts about leaving Christianity, otherwise it would be a mistake for you to go through with the conversion process. A public declaration about Jesus is the one way to ensure the sincerity of the convert. - in my case I attended Temple with my Jewish wife, went to the festivals, and even fasted on Yom Kippur with my wife ( to see if Icould do it). Then I asked to attend conversion classes after about a year. It took six months of study before I was ready. Most conversions are because your spouse is Jewish- from what I have seen most Christians who are married to Jews do not convert. It's not a fast process. I hope you are satisfied with my in depth answer.

  read this-

  http://judaism.about.com/od/interfaithquestions/f/conv_jesus.htm
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  myelaine

  dear moshe...

  thank you that was a clearer answer except for the resurrection part.

  I've never gone to a jewish temple or spoken to a rabbi as there aren't any here where I live but if there was one near, you can bet I'd be there in discussion with him constantly...I'd probably become a real pain in the donkey...:)

  love michelle
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  factfinder

  I was born and raised Jewish. All of my relatives are Jews by birth. To me it is a matter of geneology whether a person is a Jew or not. When I gave up practicing Judaism I was still a Jew for my geneology did not change. When I became one of Jehovah's Witnesses I remained a Jew ( not by religion of course) as my parents remained the same. When someone converts to Judaism it is simply joining anonther religion. Their geneology did not change-just their religious beliefs. You can't change your geneology! To me to be a Jew you must have been born one from Jewish parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents, etc.

  I recall having a conversation at work back in the late 70's with a co-worker who was going through a conversion to Judaism process similar to what Moshe went through. Her husband was Jewish and they wanted to raise their children in the Jewish religion. I was already a JW and was witnessing to her...she claimed that I was not a Jew anymore and she was! I explained to her that I still came from the same parents, grandparents, greatgrandparents etc and etc (!) and that my geneology did not change. And neither did hers. She was simply joining a religion that I was born into and have given up. She wanted me to speak to her (unfriendly) rabbi to get his view of whether I am a jew or not. I told her I could not care less what his view was as I still have the same parents and relatives-religion has nothing to do with it- Judaism is just a religion. He ended up coming by the store to see her (and me) and ended up telling me to "return to your God, your People and your Religion". I told him I never left my God-who is Jehovah, I never left my people-my family and that Judaism is just a religion and I will not return to it. He was even more unfriendly to me after that and he told the girl to have no further discussions with me! Why anyone would want to follow Judaism I do not know. I would never have chosen it. But I am a natural Jew by birth and having a religion or not does not change who I am desended from! And it makes no difference if one is a desendant of the Israelites or not. One lady told me "you have Jesus'blood in you!".How can that be? He had no kids! Anyway, sorry to go on with this! But it seems the right place to mention it.
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  Inkie

  Moshe, so which branch of Judaism do you adhere to: orthodox, conservative, reformed, or some other that I haven't heard of yet? (Sorry if you already answered this question and I didn't come across it in my reading.) Your circumcision was a ritual one where blood is drawn? How does that work? No disrespect intended. I'm being sincere here. So your foreskin remains intact just blood is drawn (from your penis)? If so, how does that conform to the Torah when Torah requires the removal of the foreskin? Thank you.

  --Inkie
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  moshe

  A ritual circumcision is for those who are already circumcised. I converted in a Conservative/Reconstructionist Temple, but we are presently members of a Reform Temple ( the only on in our city), which has a strong conservative tilt.

  I did DNA testing a few years ago to find some blood relatives and I discovered a surprise- I have Semitic dna- specifically, I have the same Ydna halogroup as the Samartian Levite Jews in Israel today. Going back 3 markers distant on my dna matches me up with many Jews in Europe.