The Gentile Times Reconsidered

by Spade 382 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Spade
    Spade

    How the hell have I missed this thread?
    Spade v Leo with illustrations by Outlaw!!
    Good god this has to enter the "best of" section - just for humour induced by Spade's awesome stupidity.

    No, I would say many on this discussion board take a very different stand on God's existence than what's accepted by contemporary society.

    http://www.atlassociety.org/religion_objectivism

    Question: Is Objectivism compatible with religion?

    Answer: Most major religions have believed in the existence of a supernatural realm, a realm beyond the natural world of physical objects and bodies governed by causal laws, the world we perceive with our senses and can study by rational methods. Some religions posit a personal god (or gods); others believe in impersonal supernatural forces. (See George Walsh, The Role of Religion in History, chapter 1.) Objectivism rejects any notion of the supernatural as incompatible with the objectivity and regularity of nature as identified by reason. There is no credible evidence of miracles, magic, or other supernatural phenomena in nature.

    Objectivism regards reason as an absolute. It holds that all knowledge is based on the evidence of the senses. It holds that all beliefs, conclusions, and convictions must be established by logical methods of inquiry and tested by logical methods of verification. In short, it holds that the scientific approach applies to all areas of knowledge. Blind faith, by contrast, consists in belief not based on evidence, or based on such spurious forms of "evidence" as revelation and authority. Faith is essentially an arbitrary exercise of the mind, a willful credulity based on subjective emotions rather than objective evidence, a desire for certainty without the scrupulous cognitive effort required to achieve rational certainty. Faith cannot substitute for reason as a means of knowledge, nor can it supplement reason. Reason is incompatible with arbitrary procedures of any kind.

    The truth as taught by Jehovah's Witnesses is confirmed as truth when measured against the above procedures.

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20091001/article_03.htm

    Like Isabel and Roberto, millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have experienced the power of the holy spirit in their lives. Jehovah’s active force—the force behind the creation of the universe—can be made available to you if you wish. God is willing and eager to share his spirit with you if you earnestly request it. But to receive that spirit, you need to learn the truth about him and sincerely seek to do his will.—Isaiah 55:6; Hebrews 11:6.

    Under the empowering force of holy spirit, you may receive the strength to serve God successfully and to face whatever challenges may arise in your life. This is what the Bible assures us: “[Jehovah] is giving to the tired one power; and to the one without dynamic energy he makes full might abound. . . . Those who are hoping in Jehovah will regain power. They will mount up with wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary; they will walk and not tire out.”—Isaiah 40:28-31.

    5549 posts later, you're just as stupid as the day you repudiated God's spirit.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Ancient history cannot be proven, because there are no living informants......Spade/AliceInWonderLand

    I said no such thing.....Spade/AliceInWonderLand

    "OUTLAW" and others work the ad hominem attacks. It's all meshed together with trashy overtones.
    This says much about the overall character of this discussion board and why I take nothing here seriously.....Spade/AliceInWonderLand

    You own words show your Lack of Honesty and Intelligence..

    Your not smart enough to debate Leo,Ann,or..

    The spare tire on the back of my truck..

    ........................... ...OUTLAW

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    Alice always changes the subject when she knows she's full of S**T.

    We're discussing "Objectivism" now, are we, Alice?

    Idiot.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    Like Isabel and Roberto, millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have experienced the power of the holy spirit in their lives. Jehovah’s active force—the force

    behind the creation of the universe—can be made available to you if you wish. God is willing and eager to share his spirit with you if you earnestly

    request

    it. But to receive that spirit, you need to learn the truth about him and sincerely seek to do his will.—Isaiah 55:6; Hebrews 11:6.

    Don't all cults and religions state this?

    I was a witness from birth till 42. I served as an appointed man for the best part of 20 years. As an elder I saw all the grime and dirt that sullied the congregation, and contaminated the minds of generations. I saw the results of the lies disseminted by the cult leaders. I never saw any evidence of spirit in action.

    I saw tired, drained, depressed souls who were existing to slave for a false prophet.

    So spade don't spout cut n paste watchtower bullshit at me. I have lived through it and survived.

    Your support for this organisation doesn't just make you stupid, it makes you fucking evil too.

  • Spade
    Spade
    Don't all cults and religions state this?
    I was a witness from birth till 42. I served as an appointed man for the best part of 20 years. As an elder I saw all the grime and dirt that sullied the congregation, and contaminated the minds of generations. I saw the results of the lies disseminted by the cult leaders. I never saw any evidence of spirit in action.
    I saw tired, drained, depressed souls who were existing to slave for a false prophet.
    So spade don't spout cut n paste watchtower bullshit at me. I have lived through it and survived.
    You support for this organisation doesn't just make you stupid, it make you fucking evil too.

    I'm associated with Jehovah's Witnesses also and I've come to know them as fine individuals. For one thing, they don't use the kind of language you do.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    I would rather use bad language than allow my kids to die for a lie.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    I'm associated with Jehovah's Witnesses also and I've come to know them as fine individuals.
    For one thing, they don't use the kind of language you do.....Spade/AliceInWatchtowerland

    ........................... ...OUTLAW

  • villabolo
    villabolo

    Spade:

    "Contributors like “Leolaia” and “AnnOMaly” and a few others work the mannerly logic while spam artists like "OUTLAW" and others work the ad hominem attacks. It's all meshed together with trashy overtones. This says much about the overall character of this discussion board and why I take nothing here seriously."

    You're wrong about those who ridiculae you, Spade. That includes me. You see, if you were a serious debater, engaging in a bonafide discussion, I would not bother posting my images and neither would Outlaw. The thing is that you're a joke. Even Leolaia who ridicules no one and doesn't engage in Ad Hominems has addressed herself to you and said:

    "Whoa, whoa, whoa, now just wait a minute. You either don't get the point I've been making or you are being intellectually dishonest."

    "It seems that your only reason for insisting on the last two months of Cyrus' first year is because that's what is demanded by Watchtower chronology."

    Which is her polite way of saying,

    Villabolo

  • AnnOMaly
    AnnOMaly

    Spade:

    I said no such thing. You completely twisted up crystal clear logic.

    There was no crystal clear logic to twist up. You side-stepped the issue under discussion (the dispute over your and the WTS' assertions about the timing of Cyrus' decree) by quoting what you quoted and your subsequent comments that were irrelevant to the facts that had been given you, namely, the Bible didn't say the exiles settled home the seventh month in Cyrus' second year, and historical sources do not say when in Cyrus' first year he issued his decree to the Jews. That's the top and bottom of it.

    Scripture also clearly specifies that the 70 years would be years of devastation of the land of Judah.

    And all this land must become a devastated place, an object of astonishment, and these nations will have to serve the king of Babylon seventy years. Jeremiah 25:11

    No, no, NO! The 'nations serving the king of Babylon' lasts 70 years. It doesn't say the land will be a devastated place for 70 years.

    And I will make Jerusalem piles of stones, the lair of jackals; and the cities of Judah I shall make a desolate waste, without an inhabitant. Jeremiah 9:11

    Again this does not support your claim that the 70 years would be years of devastation of the land. Leolaia's already dealt with how inhabited the land was during the NB period.

    And consider this: Jer. 51:28, 29, 37.

    "Sanctify against her the nations, the kings of Me′di·a, its governors and all its deputy rulers and all the land of each one's dominion. And let the earth rock and be in severe pain, for against Babylon the thoughts of Jehovah have risen up to make the land of Babylon an object of astonishment, without an inhabitant. ... And Babylon must become piles of stones, the lair of jackals, an object of astonishment and something to whistle at, without an inhabitant."

    The context is clearly about God's retribution on Babylon at the hands of the Medes - understood to have happened in 539 BCE, yes? And the same language is used as in Jer. 9:11 so must have been a favorite expression. Did the Medes and Persians strip the land of Babylon of its inhabitants when they conquered it? You know the answer. Ever heard of poetic or prophetic hyperbole? Or "artistic poetic rhetoric" (C.J.H. Wright's expression in The Message of Ezekiel)?

  • Spade
    Spade
    You're wrong about those who ridiculae you, Spade. That includes me. You see, if you were a serious debater, engaging in a bonafide discussion, I would not bother posting my images and neither would Outlaw. The thing is that you're a joke. Even Leolaia who ridicules no one and doesn't engage in Ad Hominems has addressed herself to you and said:
    "Whoa, whoa, whoa, now just wait a minute. You either don't get the point I've been making or you are being intellectually dishonest."
    "It seems that your only reason for insisting on the last two months of Cyrus' first year is because that's what is demanded by Watchtower chronology."

    I already addressed this matter in post 195: According to the Bible and the secular history: the release of the Jews from captivity certainly could have occurred in 537 B.C.E. We're dealing with a fine time line here. Add the fulfillment of the 1914 prophecy. 2,520 years from 1914 pinpoints the date for Jerusalem's destruction on 607 B.C.E. (the beginning of the Gentile domination). 70 years added to 607 B.C.E. = 537 B.C.E. There's enough secular data that has been preserved to our time to come to conclusions. As to those who choose not to come to any conclusions about a divine time table and reject the 1914 prophecy, I'm perfectly happy to let them go their way and keep posting trashy pictures if it makes you feel better. That comes simply because I support Jehovah's Witnesses and other reasons not related to this thread.

    As for you, beloved ones, call to mind the sayings that have been previously spoken by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, how they used to say to you: “In the last time there will be ridiculers, proceeding according to their own desires for ungodly things.” These are the ones that make separations, animalistic [men], not having spirituality. Jude 17-19

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