Spade, help me out please...

by elderelite 53 Replies latest members private

  • DesirousOfChange
    DesirousOfChange

    Lunatic Faith said: I don't understand how someone could stay associated with the WBTS even after they know it's not the truth.

    Yes, it's because there is so much at stake.........perhaps all of one's family relationships.........one's entire network of friends.........maybe even business relationships. For someone in such a position, the only way "out" is to FADE. And even with that, you would have to be careful to never "break the rules" because if word of that happening got back to the BOE, there would be the chance that they would be breathing down your neck to "keep the cong clean".

    Thus, NO holidays, NO birthdays, NO other religion, NO excesses (booze, etc), NO politics, NO smoking. Since you haven't participated in any of that for all the years in the bOrg, then perhaps it would not be a problem continuing to live that lifestyle -- Unfortunately, many who leave feel they have missed out on some of those things and embrace them to the full. Also, add to that list, NO APOSTACY! You'd have to keep your mouth shut and be discreet about any disagreements with the GB doctrines. But at least you wouldn't be caught up in the meetings, FS, other responsibilities, etc. Continue to do your Family Worship, just stay with the Bible, just as others have mentioned on this board. That could prove very interesting. Just NO dissenting comments about JW doctrine. Let the Bible speak for itself. Kids discern a lot more than we tend to give them credit.

    Now that you are spiritually weak &/or depressed, and you've become inactive, I suspect from what I've read here, and from witnessing other local examples, that your network of friends would gradually become smaller and less and less of a significant role in your life. But, you would not be mandatorily shunned by everyone, esp those important to you like your family members.

    The relationship changes that could occur within your marriage are unique to your own situation. Obviously it would be better if a couple were in agreement on doing a FADE. But if that's not possible, one would hope that the marital relationship would continue on a good basis. Although in your case Elderelite, it sounds like your wife is already accustomed to withholding the "due" whenever things don't go her way. I doubt that would be any different regarding a FADE.

  • Mad Sweeney
    Mad Sweeney

    Most of the time it is courageous when guys like ee stick with it for the sake of others.

    There have been times it was just an act of cowardice, though, one would think.

    The mistake would be, in my opinion, to generalize ALL those who stay in as brave or ALL as cowards. There are probably a good number of each.

  • jookbeard
    jookbeard

    Mr Falcon, your suggestion of Spade pissing off to a Kingdumb Hall and cleaning the toilets sounds good to me, perhaps someone can push her head down one with some freshly laid logs and pull the chain.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    Elderelite..

    Spade/AliceinWonderLand isn`t a JW..

    Anything negative about the WBT$ is beyond her comprehension..

    Without ever having lived there..

    Alice has decided Watchtower World is a Wonderful place..Period..

    Confusing the Issue with Facts,won`t change Alices mind..

    ....................... ...OUTLAW

  • Lozhasleft
    Lozhasleft

    Hugs to you Elderelite - you say it so well.

    Loz x

  • Murray Smith
    Murray Smith

    Wow . . . Spade has now been dealt to ... trumped ... and now shot by an OUTLAW . . . what's left?

    Diggin a hole up on boot hill?

  • NVR2L8
    NVR2L8

    Elderelite,

    In my case the choices were to leave or to take my life. I could no longer go on hating my life in the organization. Once I found out the truth about the WT I could no longer give public talks, pray at the meetings, go out in the ministry and when I did I limited myself to return visits where I could socialize. So I stated working more and traveling, missed most of my meetings and eventually asked to be deleted as a MS. The last straw was the generation talk at the DC (we had the WT review on the generation overlap on the same day...) My family is now divided since my wife still attend with my unbaptized son and his wife and my 2 grand children. Everytime they leave for the meeting, my heart aches because I know they are just wasting their life. I want them out now, but I know this won't happen if I pressure them. I just want them to see how much happier I am now that I am inactive, and hoping to stay that way to be able to help them see the WT for what it is.

  • Mr. Falcon
    Mr. Falcon

    NVR2L8, you have a PM.

  • dgp
    dgp

    My respects, Mr. Elderelite.

  • Spade
    Spade

    Elderelite, if you're an elder, I would genuinely enjoy reading a transcript of one of your talks.

    All you have to do to dissent from Jehovah's Organization is quit attending meetings. Over 50% of my family are Jehovah's Witnesses and no one is ever shunned for ceasing meeting attendance. Some of the myths weaved by select opposers may have gotten to your mind about what happens when a person exits the organization, but these stories are just conjecture blown out of proportion.

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