Amazing's Triumph - Mixed Feelings (page 6)

Perry

Howdy waiting!

You from the South too?

"I've read your post - and it seems to overflow with frustration. I think that frustration overflows with a lot of us".

Yes, I would say that is accurate. It really sux 'cause there is a huge part of the human persona (the god-like part) that doesn't get to be expressed as it should....with family

"Other occasions in life are similar. Anyone who's dealt with a woman being beaten by her husband.....and she keeps going back, understands the frustration".

What a terrific analogy! My family actively sought to "fish out" an apostate statement much like a physically abused woman tests your level of unconditional love. I never made that connection before....thank you.

We have many similarities here - but each case is different, as is our lives.

waiting

Thanks for this post and your previous one.

Take Care,

Perry

Amazing

Hi Perry:

Amazing, I yank your chain a little bit because I admire you. I have followed DB's on and off since '95 and I've never met anyone with your particular gifts. I have my own and am satisfied with myself. Perhaps my experience as an entrepaneur in pegging people as soon as possible as it relates to tasks to accomplish has excited me a little too much to tempt you with a more formal hands on involvement.

I unerstand the chain yanking, and, appreciate the compliments.

Perhaps my insights have unnerved you a little. That's what I do and it has served me well. I'm a watcher, a student of people.

Your insights are interesting, and your presentation cool, but none of this has unnerved me at all. It is just that I smell a rat running loose (no, not you), and decided to out fox it. You will see what I mean eventually.

However, I do want to take this particular opportunity to extend a sincere apology if any of my statements have crossed some unethical line.

Not at all. No offense taken or implied. I greatly enjoy you. But, something about where I see things going is not feeling right - and the last time I put my instincts on hold, it proved shall we say, unsettling.

Likewise, feel free to email me anytime at [email protected] Maybe some offboard discussion might be helpful. Thanks

Englishman

Perry,

Off the point now. I looked at your website and found it fascinating, I have always been intrigued with birds and would love to set up an aviary again. I'd like a pair of toucans!

I used to work part-time for the RSPB, we would catch birds in mist-nets and ring them to trace the migration routes. You only got a tiny return, less than 1%, but it was sufficient to trace the migration routes. One night we caught over 300 sand martins in the north of England, 6 weeks later one that I had ringed was picked up again in South Africa, a journey of over 6,000 miles.

Englishman.

Truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented. -Georges Braque

Perry

Amazing said:

Not at all. No offense taken or implied. I greatly enjoy you. But, something about where I see things going is not feeling right - and the last time I put my instincts on hold, it proved shall we say, unsettling.

Likewise, feel free to email me anytime at [email protected] Maybe some offboard discussion might be helpful. Thanks

Perhaps you will tell us the "where" things are going and the source of your sneaking suspecians when the time comes.

Likewise, mine is [email protected] - feel free as well

Chao

Perry

Englishman,

One night we caught over 300 sand martins in the north of England, 6 weeks later one that I had ringed was picked up again in South Africa, a journey of over 6,000 miles.

That must have been a great experience for one of your very own banded birds to have been caught in South Africa. Imagine what the bird thought: "Jeez, I can't get away from these guys, they're on every continent!"

When you get ready to set up that aviary let me know. I have a copy of a spech given at our national convention on planted aviaries that I'll mail to you. It covers what plants to select and how to create 3 ecosystems with top-dwelling, bush dweling and ground dwelling birds. Toucans are incredible aren't they? ....even if they didn't get the intelligence of the psitticines. I want an Acari...same family but a little smaller.

Chao

Perry

jst2laws wrote:

I too would like to see more on how to help family and close friends. Perhaps a web site devoted to it would help some. I fear; however, by the time a frustrated and exiting JW were to find this information too much damage would have already occurred.

Thanks for the feedback. I totally agree. The average defector is completely unprepared to deal with the task. They make tactical errors that result in finding themselves on the defensive rather than the offensive. In that position their name gets dragged though the mud and their credibility is shot before they even get started.

I think that a web-site dedicated to how to leave as intact as possible, with at least one family member would be a great idea. I welcome any suggestions you may have. E-mail me any time.

Chao,

Perry

JT wrote:

many of those who may not know HOW IT WORKS often times find themsleves in shouting matches with some jackass elders who are about as low in the totem pole in society as one can get- some dude who cleans banks at night for a living is sitting in the SEAT OF JUDGEMENT for you

Brother, you hit the nail on the head! I remember the bafoons that used to masquarade as sheperds and fortresses of truth called elders. Yes, I fell for the "caring" and never should have played my hand so soon. Looking back, it would have so easy to up the ante and the reward before delivering the decisive coup.

Nothing would make me happier than to see much more educated defections that those including family members.

Thanks for your insights.

Perry

bigfloppydog

AMAZING: I truly enjoyed your post. The most touching part to me was the fact that your family means so much to you, that you would do anything for them, trying your hardest to make sure that you all remain togeather, and letting your children choose for themselves the direction they will take, that is outstanding, I know some elders who lord it over their families so badly that what he says goes and no one else even has a chance to give input as to what they would like.When I decided to join the org., we gave up alot of old friends, who I wish now were back in our lives, it is very hard to rekindle old friendships, but can be done gradually. Because I was the only one in our immediate family who became a JW, not my husband, he also gave up much for me, the celebrating of Christmas, birthdays, etc., and did so without any complaints, because he loves me. Now that I left, I sometimes feel the guilt for him giving up so much. I never forced becoming a JW on my children, when they reached an age were they expressed to me what they wanted to do, I never pressured them to staying in the org., they were never baptized. The posts you have written show your strong love for your family. I look forward to reading more. The best to you and your family.

bluesapphire

Why not schedule a meeting of various people that might could substantially contribute to a hands on weekend seminar?. Why not

develop a questionaire and post it on this board and ask people how and if they would be willing to contribute to such an organized effort? Why not call Steven Hassan and ask if he'd be willing to assist in structuring strategies? I know of Phd. therapists who would probably be willing to donate time. Above all we need living examples of success stories, many of them. Atteendees could role play with one another, practice techniques, draw strength from one another and more importantly start to smell the sweet scent of victory rather than the stench of lonliness and defeat. Hope is a powerful tool in the hands of a skilled tactician

Well, I would definitely say I WANT IN. I brought my sister into the cult and can't get her out. But I have gotten my husband out, my three daughters, my father-in-law and I'm working on a friend who is now inactive. I need feed-back and practice.

I don't know how or in what way I could assist. But I too am "tired of sitting on my ass."

Perry

Hi bluesapphire,

You wrote:

Well, I would definitely say I WANT IN. I brought my sister into the cult and can't get her out. But I have gotten my husband out, my three daughters, my father-in-law and I'm working on a friend who is now inactive. I need feed-back and practice.
I don't know how or in what way I could assist. But I too am "tired of sitting on my ass."

bluesapphire, Thank you for displaying the kind of spirit that is truly virtuous. You are evidently a force to be reconned with in your own right if you have managed to get several familiy membvers out. I salute you!

I personally think the time has come to move beyond merely leaving the WBTS. We must get our loved ones out too. If that decision is made before a person physically leaves though already has mentally departed, then the chance of success might be much greater.

Many people come to this board with a victim mentality and soak up validation for their new-found freedom but never really shed the victim role and take the offensive.

I spoke to my web host yesterday and he is willing to host and help create a site for this purpose should I chose to implement it. I'd like to call it "From Victim to Victor". Should I choose to move forward, experiences like yours will be invaluable.

Thanks for your support

Perry

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