Charles Russell's Last Days

by lovelylil 68 Replies latest jw friends

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Also, Sturgeon mentioned that he lifted Russell's "soft, white hand"and said it was the greatest creed-smashing hand that had ever existed.

    Yeah the greatest creed smashing hand was Jesus Christ's. And a close second imo was Martin Luther. Russell had no where near the followers of either of these two, not even today does Russell have a major following. Most of the bible students were either born in or ex jws with the same mindset looking for an organization with less rigidness and control.

    I never read the 1975 yearbook, is there a link to it on the internet somewhere?

  • snowbird
  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Syl. Thank you, I am on it right now.

    I think this is a good topic too, but would have liked some of the bible students on this forum to wiegh in too. How do they feel about how some seemingly worship Pastor Russell? And what do they think about the account of Russell's last days, as told by his secretary?

  • palmtree67
    palmtree67

    Wow.

    Just.....wow. Thanks for bringing this up, lil.

    I wonder what the average JW would think of this?

  • Band on the Run
    Band on the Run

    Historians agree that Roosevelt had a sexual affair with a close female friend. I think it was a journalist. The letters came to light. No one knew if she was jusing literary conventions of the day for very close female friends or an actual sexual relationship. Because the letters cast attention, something else came up. I recall Lincoln wrote flowery letters to close male friends and shared beds. Scholars said everyone wrote that way and it was very rare to have a bed to yourself, even in the White House. This secretary could have hetersexual feelings for Russell but just used the popular writing conventions. I don't know.

    If the toga had to do with dramatizing how close he was to God, it shows a lack of humility and service. I know little of Russell. Reading the earliest WTs helped free me from my Armageddon fears. I love the Ray Franz example of the train fron Pittsburgh to NY and the calculation of the end of time. When the expected date yielded no Armageddon, some Bible Students rechecked the calculations. The original calculation was based on the mileage or time of a train's arrival in NY. Something to do with carrying the message. A distraught Bible Student discovered that the choo choo train's schedule was not correct. There was side rail in NJ (Secaucaus maybe) that changed the calculation. A new date emerged.

    Its historical nature made the affair less scary. Armaageddon had not come. It helped me see the current regime for what it is. The WT, despite its flaws, attracts some interesting, colorful characters. No one like the Borgias, the antipopes or the WWII pope's colloboration with the Nazis but give them time.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    On one thread wherein I expressed dismay at finding out some unsavory stuff about Booker T. Washington, John Doe, a one-time poster here, told me there are no innocents, and very few heroes.

    He ain't never lied!

    Syl

  • seenitall
    seenitall

    Sturgeon was so full of himself and his relationship with CTR that he was ready to pop! I find it so unreal that Russell made no mention of his wife the entire time of the last rail trip tour. He was obsessed with himself and believed he was the "servant" and was going to the eternal sainthood in the sky. Liftoff on a train and crossing the river - the scriptures are fulfilled!!!!!!

    Now recall the difference of this death to JFRutherford.... He was a crazy old drunk who was forgotten out west. No funeral to speak of and little interest except where to bury the rotten old fart.

    Personal secretary is a queer sort of title for Sturgeon and he was ready to spawn cavier for all to feed on from the pages of the Tower!!!

    Did you see the point about a book being written by a sister - "The Golden Age"? Remember this was 1916 and the Golden Age mag didn't hit the streets till 1919!!!!

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    Some bible student friends of mine insist that Russell never thought of himself as that faithful servant, for he was too humble to do so. But it is obvious by the white bed sheet toga that the man felt he was special. And the way the secretary fawns all over him and treats him as if he is Christ incarnate or something. In a way I can see why Rutherford said some bible students were guilty of "creature" worship because of the way they viewed Russell.

    To this day they still study Russell's old books and have not moved beyond using them to interpret the bible for them. I have been to a convention of theirs and they had some books about Russell laid out for visitors to view. Why? The guy has been dead what 90 years? Let him rest in peace already and study the words of our living Master Christ Jesus.

  • Johnny
    Johnny

    I'm sorry but I have to disagree with some here. I have a attended a few Bible Student meetings, and found them much more free-thinking than the Witnesses; it was actually refreshing. Some emphasize CT Russell more than others, and some not at all.

    One thing I really apprecited was their use of the phrase, "we would like to suggest" this or that. So one can take it or leave it, however the spirit guides them. As opposed to WT Society's forced acceptance of whatever they say.

    I personnaly suspect CT Russell was murdered.

  • snowbird
    snowbird

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/scandals/207032/1/Crisis-of-Conscience-Chapter-3

    I tried to find this link earlier today, but couldn't.

    While Rutherford denounced "creature worship," it appears that the wasn't averse to it when it came to himself.

    Both of them were false prophets and charlatans.

    Syl

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