by flipper 52 Replies latest watchtower child-abuse
on article in link to NJN Network & San Fransisco Chronicle article . I will post comments regarding the article from JW's and NON-JW's in the next post after this initial thread.
Here is the link : http://njnnetwork.com/2009/09/sex-offender-philip-garrido-used-jehovahs-witness-to-get-early-parole/
Harry Har a JW states on 9/19/09 - " Having been an elder with them for over 30 years I can only say it's all vicious lies. The majority of this earth's population will soon be destroyed by Jehovah and we will be picking up your bodies. The End is very, very close and soon all of you liars, fornicators, etc. will be gone...... forever ! Hope I don't throw my back out picking up your bodies and your children and grandchildren . "
Khrag a NON-JW states on 9/20/09 - " Funny, your cult has predicted the end was near many times before, do you guys ever get tired of being wrong ? "
John a NON-JW states on 10/17/09 - " My wife's family are all JW's - they take in blindly to their homes whoever they find. Most that do this are themselves down and out with very low self esteems. A family friend who my wife's mother ( a JW ) used to leave my wife to babysit her was a child molester, he even had a baby with his own daughter. My wife's mother still to this day doesn't believe any of it as long as he was a JW he was a good person. We don't know if my wife was ever molested, she was younger than 2 yrs.old but her sister thinks so. My wife has had a lot of problems over the years. She was raised a JW so she knows both sides. It is nothing more than another extreme religion. I could see how this monster ( Phillip Garrido ) could dupe them and use the JW's as a way to get what he wanted. JW's are a nice place for child molesters to hide especially if the molester becomes an elder. JW's believe 2 JW's have to witness the molestation before they will act and turn them over to the police. This allows them to continue to abuse. Even though many religions have their problems with molesters - JW's are worse than most because of the almost cultlike way they operate. The family will cut most people off that are not JW's. We hardly speak to her ( his wife's ) family and even her brother who got back into it a few years ago quit speaking to us. It splits the family, and with this kind of devotion few will question an elder. "
JT a NON-JW states on 11/20/09 - " With Jehovah's Witnesses, it's all about appearances and keeping the image of holiness. They will deny and excuse away any evidence that their organization breeds fanatics and unscriptural behavior. Pity is the only emotion I can feel for them. "
O.K. I'll post more responses to the article in a few minutes. You may want to respond to these comments ! Thanks ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
Thanks flipper. Another sicko of the WTBTS. Oh no the WT does not have a big problem with Child molesters. As I said the other night I personal knew of 6 of them through the years while in the cult. I wonder what this one is going to cost the Borg. I know of only one way to deal with these sicko's. But I don't want to get in trouble with anyone. Forgive me these kind of guys really make me very angry. Look forward to more on this. Take care. Totally ADD
More responses to the Garrido article continued......
Joe Emerson a NON-JW states on 11/20/09 - " I cannot confirm it yet but was told 3 of 4 kidnappers ( all except Mohammed Guhad ) in Roanoke, Virginia were in the JW's. Besides the Garridos having been JW's, the Night Stalker of London who raped and beat up 200 old women during a 17 year spree is said to be a JW. He cut electrical and phone lines, woke victims with a torch in their faces. It's an Armageddon cult and those attract a lot of mentally unbalanced people. Pedophiles, rapists of the old, serial killers, wiretappers, other perverts. They also mispredict and hint at false dates for doomsday, etc. There are good JW's in the Watchtower Society but they are good in spite of being in it ! As we near 2014 ( 100 years after their big prophecy re: 1914) , more zaniness will come out. Are the mental health authorities aware of what's going on ? If they are, perhaps Waco or Jonestown style suicides etc. can be averted. "
Belinda a JW states on 12/05/09 - FUNNY, how these things happen more often in those who call themselves Catholics, and yet no one publicizes their religious beliefs when they are caught committing crimes like Garrido . But if it's a Witness it's all over the news . I am not a JW but ( don't believe it ) I think these people try to help others and yes they as well make mistakes !! What other religions are willing to help others besides just wanting their money ? Next time a Witness knocks on my door I will take the time to ask questions and listen. "
Sean a JW states on 12/08/09 - I'm not sure why someone in obscure PEI, Canada would want to repost this SF story but it is very slanted. I feel very sorry for the young girl involved. What a terrible way to start your life ! The kidnappers have much to answer for. However, what happened to her would never, ever, in any way , be condoned or encouraged by Jehovah's Witnesses. This man obviously had serious problems long before he ever learned of the Witnesses. Despite whatever interest he had or feigned in Jehovah, " the truth " did not set him free from his deep seated troubles. Some people just cannot be fixed by men. But do not blame a few failures on people who could easily point to far more successes. In any case I am so happy that she is once again home with her family ; I can't imagine the ordeal they have all been through. "
O.K. I'll post this and come back with more responses ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
O.K. Here are more responses to the Garrido Article :
The Editor of the article a NON-JW states on 12/08/09 - " JW's have had over 100 years of hiding their scandals behind the Watchtower magazine. The reality is they are as riddled with scandal as any religion that seeks to put a happy face on perversion. "
Whitwashed Tombs a NON-JW states on 12/21/09 - " Funny to see all the JW's here disowning ' 30 year elder ' Harry har for his comments. Of course you do this in a public forum where non-JW eyes can see, but behind closed doors you believe the same thing he does : ' The majority of this earth's population will soon be destroyed by Jehovah and we will be picking up your bodies. ' At least Harry Har isn't a hypocrite like the rest of you. Sadly you JW's are puppets of your masters and ny disavowing Harry Har you demonstrate the number one problem with the JW religion : All your leaders care about is how they appear on the outside. These horrible things that go on inside your religion are hidden and suppressed under clergy privilege. Meanwhile, rapists and child molesters are knocking on our doors. It's only when the public discovers the truth - as we did with Garrido and his wife - that you disown and disavow , just as you demonstarted with Harry Har. "
Harry har the JW elder comes back and states on 2/13/10 - " I HAVE been an elder, on and off for 30 years in different congregations. If you two are brothers you'd better buck up and grow some kiwi's. Are you afraid that Jehovah won't back you up ? If you are that scared of worldly people you'll probably wet your pants at Armageddon. You both sound like fence straddlers to me. Wish you were in my congregation. You'd either get some courage or a JC would send you down the road. When Armageddon hits we don't know what Jehovah will ask us to do.... but if he does ask you'd better do it. I know I will ! "
I'll post some more comments in a few minutes ! Peace.
IN fairness to JWs, most serial murderers and rapists belong to religious denominations. Witnesses never taught it was all right to kidnap and rape. I believe the Witnesses tend to get a select crowd. Hitler was raised in a religion, though I know not what.
The comments get even more interesting. Our old aquaintance Danny Hazzard comments !
On 3/18 & 3/19/10 Danny Hazzard a NON-JW makes these statements - " Lifelong Jehovah's Witness dissident speaks out on JW belief system.
A) They are at your door to recruit you for their Watchtower society Corporation, they say that " we are just here to share a message from the Bible " this is deception right off.
B) Their " message " creed is a false Gospel that Jesus had his second coming in 1914. The problem with this is it's not just a cute fairy tale. Jesus warned of the false prophets who would claim " look he is here in the wilderness , or see here he is in the temple ".
C) Their anti-blood transfusion ban against " whole blood " has killed thousands.
D) Once they recruit you they will " love bomb " you in cult fashion to also recruit your family & friends or cut them off. "
Hazzard continues : " Many court documents and news events prove that Jehovah's Witnesses require two witnesses when a child comes forward with allegations of molestation within the congregation. Such allegations have customarily been treated as sins instead of crimes and are only reported to authorities when it is required to do so by law , ( which varies by state ) . It has also been shown that child molesters within the organization usually have not been identified to the congregation members or the public at large. These people engage in a door to door ministry, possibly exposing children to pedophiles. Although the Watchtower Society claims that known pedophiles are accompanied by a non-pedophile in such work, there is no law stating that such a practice must be followed. The Watchtower Society has paid out millions in hush money already. The Watchtower Society will say or do anything to protect mother Watchtower . This is an abusive cult to children and adults. "
6 months later on 9/07/10 a JW named realex-JW responds to Danny : " Harry har is a liar ! No elder speaks in that tone or with that type of anguage. As for Danny Hazzard, he is a fake and a liar. " The WT corporation has paid out millions in hush money already " . Where is your proof you lying criminal !!! I wish the Witnesses would be the type to take your libelous rotting apostate a$$ to court. But that is how those who never understood it operate when they cannot live up to the high moral requirements of being a Witness. I was a Witness 20 + years ago and I still miss being one. I am trying to get back now. 20+ years later and I still do not have one single bad thing to say about the organization. They do not condone any form of wrongdoing. The Bible teaches forgiveness and that if a person commits a sin, that person should be counseled and helped to reform. And all steps are taken. Disfellowshipping is the final last resort when such a person continues with the bad ways. I find it despicable that ex-Witnesses can be so vitriolic. You never had a good understanding of what the truth was about, otherwise you would not say the evil and vicious things you say. But just like a person who gets fired from a job for poor performance and breaking the rules is angry, so are you people. I would encourage, ALL of you who have never been to a Kingdom Hall or a Convention, just please take the time to attend one of the meetings and at least one convention and see for yourselves first hand who they are and how they teach. Then come back and report if you still have the same thoughts or worst and give explanations and examples to support your belief. "
The same day 9/07/10 a NON-JW Stephen Pate replies to the JW - " Yes, we'd all like to go and meet you at the Kingdom Hall. That'd be swell. "
A classic ending ! Hope you enjoyed the back and forth. I thought it was eye opening as well as somewhat funny and sobering all at the same time. Look forward to any comments. Thanks, Peace out, Mr. Flipper
TOTALLY ADD- Child abuse really is a much larger problem inside the Jehovah's Witness organization than the WT society admits to. The WT leaders have been so busy trying to HIDE the problem from outsiders AND JW 's themselves that it's catching up with them. More power to information awareness and the Internet !
BAND ON THE RUN- Very true I agree with your statement " Witnesses never taught it was alright to kidnap and rape. " Yet they tolerate the rape or child abuse of minor children by parents or other JW relatives in that many times they do NOT report the felony offense to police authorities. And do NOT inform other parents in the congregations if a known child molester is among them. So in my opinion - tolerating it is the same as not doing anything to prevent it ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
Anyone condoning or covering up child abuse is a criminal. In Canada IT'S THE LAW. Failure to report is a criminal offense. So, the JWS are co-conspirators in COUNTLESS crimes against children.
We did a little protest back in '05, Kwin and I, as he was one of those children. Here's the thread!
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The Bible teaches forgiveness and that if a person commits a sin, that person should be counseled and helped to reform.
Of course, forgiveness is a funny concept in Watchtower World, isn't it? I mean, if they truly believed this, they wouldn't have JCs. Forgiveness is my Dad's line when I mentioned pedophiles in the congregation.
So I asked him "Dad, if you knew someone was a child molester would you let them babysit your children?"
He said "No."
I said "Then you really haven't forgiven them. And as far as that goes, I wouldn't let anyone I knew was a molester near my kids either. Forgiveness can only go so far. When you're talking protecting someone from danger or abuse, forgiveness is not an option."
